Resource Management Games

0:11 Welcome to plug in for player 4 where you the viewer are the

0:13 player 4 and I don't know what the fuck Brand was doing.

0:16 Man, we've been holding this one note for a while.

0:19 Player 4, yes. Player 4:00 The player 4.

0:23 Hello, welcome to plug in for player 4.

0:26 Monotonous the whole thing. Thank you for tuning in.

0:32 Yeah. Thank you, you do it the best to

0:35 do what the fucking I I'm sorry I can't let you do that.

0:39 Yes, welcome to plug in player 4.

0:43 I just wanted to start out this episode by saying I'm sorry

0:46 specifically to VI talked about them in the the generational

0:50 magic that I said earlier. Oh.

0:54 Oh, I called she a him instead of her.

0:59 Oh, I just want to. Yeah, I just want to get that

1:01 out there, you asshole. I am I I'm bad at pronouns.

1:07 I get it. I'm just.

1:07 I'm the same way. I'm working on, I'm trying to

1:10 like drill into my brain. Yeah.

1:14 Anyway, Yeah, I am. I am sorry though, but yeah.

1:18 What? What have we, how are we doing,

1:20 guys? What have we been up to?

1:22 Well, we tried playing Phasmo last night that.

1:25 Turned into. A fucking fuck fuck.

1:28 We have footage by the way of. This.

1:29 Oh, that's good. Because we were trying to just,

1:32 you know, film just regular footage.

1:34 No, that didn't happen at all. We could not.

1:36 We literally could not get into a game without like.

1:41 Somebody crashing. Somebody crashing like Emma,

1:44 poor fucking Emma, dude. We're waiting for everything to

1:47 load in the truck because you have to wait for the host to get

1:50 in so all your stuff loads. We're like the fuck what's going

1:53 on? And we're like looking at the

1:54 board and all that. All of our names are not there.

1:57 It's just loading. And we're like, oh, oh, that's

2:00 not good. And then Emma just gone.

2:03 What the? Fuck, fuck.

2:07 Like OK, so I'll just go back. And I'm like, OK, I'm just

2:12 spamming the door trying to get it to go because, you know, the

2:16 truck door goes down and you got to wait for it to pause for a

2:21 second and then it animates back up and then you're supposed to

2:25 go back to the facility. That's how you exit the level.

2:28 So I'm spamming the fucking button because I'm like, I'm

2:30 impatient as fuck, just do this as fast as possible.

2:34 The door comes back up and I'm like OK cool.

2:37 And then it opens back up again. He spammed the button too much

2:42 apparently. Oh my God.

2:44 Apparently that's a thing. I don't know why it's a, It has

2:47 to be a. Bug.

2:47 Because because when the door closes, that's the end of the

2:51 animation and the truck's like, OK, it's time to leave.

2:54 No, the doors just fucking open back up.

2:57 I'm like, why are you going back down?

2:58 And then the top it all off, fucking playing with Dantes.

3:03 Dantes, I want to, I want to do this.

3:05 So he goes up to the keypad and he he's, he's going to try to do

3:07 it. He crashes.

3:12 I'm like, OK, Dantes, I'll let you give it a try to make sure

3:15 it's not just me. So I'm going to open up the

3:17 door. So just just kick us back to the

3:19 facility. So the door OPS back up.

3:21 I step back. He goes to use the keypad.

3:24 Just fucking gone. Yeah, just disappears.

3:27 All the stuff he had in this person on the floor now, like

3:29 that's, that's what happens when someone crashes and then fucking

3:36 like we're all fucking muted in Discord.

3:38 And like when Emma crashed, she went back on to Discord.

3:44 She's like Brandon, it happened again.

3:50 That's something she would say. Like.

3:54 This is the worst state of the game I've ever seen.

3:58 I've played it for a long time. Yeah, a lot of my, my other

4:02 group has been telling me, yeah. It's, it's bad, it's atrocious

4:07 and I'm I hate being that person but Jesus Christ fix your

4:14 fucking shit. I'm sorry.

4:17 I love that game a lot so this sucks.

4:20 I'm upset with the fact that all of this is happening right at

4:25 the same time that they're doing an event with Alan Wake.

4:28 Yeah, with Remedy games, you know how bad that looks on you.

4:32 That might be the last time. That might be the last time

4:35 anybody collabs with Vasmo as far as I'm concerned, unless

4:39 they get things fixed. Yeah.

4:41 Like it's this is not to belittle them, it's just why

4:46 would you? Why?

4:47 Would you release it in this state?

4:49 And you released an update that said you fixed the crashes.

4:55 It made it fucking worse for everybody, not even just

4:59 consoles, cause consoles have been kind of funky Yeah, but PCI

5:02 have not crashed once with this game.

5:06 And I crashed I'm like, are you fuck, I'm like no.

5:10 And I get back in and like, yeah, I crashed this time and

5:14 almost like all this is bad, Brandon with this is bad.

5:20 Like, yeah, 'cause I don't crash like I, I don't, I don't know,

5:24 man. Like this.

5:27 The, the problem is we do have kind of a confirmation from, I

5:31 think it's an art director. The post is now gone, but he,

5:35 this person said that they did rush this out because of the

5:40 Allen Wake event. And I'm like, you guys could

5:46 have just waited. I mean, you didn't need the

5:48 customization update to do this unless there's some type of

5:51 agreement there with remedy, which there might have been.

5:54 I don't know. It's all legal crap, all

5:57 business shit. But I don't know, like to

6:02 literally say that but then also take the post down after

6:07 Internet's forever, everybody, and now they're getting review

6:10 bombed on Steam because everybody's pissed.

6:14 Yeah. For a game that's been mostly

6:16 positive three years. Before these updates, I'm in the

6:20 game with Rock Solid. It in in my personal opinion, it

6:25 all started when they started changing the maps.

6:29 Because yes, because they were using all pre made stuff like

6:33 free assets and whatever, which I mean, it's fine.

6:35 That is perfectly fine, but I guess they're.

6:37 Trying to rush to one point O. And they have to get rid of all

6:41 of the prefab stuff in order to which that makes sense.

6:46 I mean, that's fine, but now your optimization's gone under

6:49 the fucking rock because all of now the game engine or

6:54 something. I'm not a game developer.

6:55 I don't know, I could be talking out of my ass.

6:58 But there's something here with these new assets that is just

7:00 taking performance and it's just that it needs to be optimized.

7:05 I heard somebody say that one of the biggest things that's coming

7:10 out of this for them is that they're looking at the

7:12 animations of the new assets and they're at a different frame

7:16 rate than what the game's actually running at.

7:19 Yeah, which I didn't even think was possible.

7:21 Yeah, that that's a problem. Right, I think the the game

7:24 supposed to be rot running at 60 frames.

7:27 Yes, it's minimum 60. And the enemies runs and the

7:30 animations are running at 30 frames.

7:32 Yeah, if you walk like sideways past an object, it stutters.

7:36 God, it's bad. Now when you're playing you

7:39 don't like, eventually you don't really notice.

7:42 But that that was another thing that this person that made that

7:48 post that they took down said all.

7:50 You'll get used to it. You'll get used to the way that

7:53 it's kind of shaky and whatever. It's like you don't say that.

7:56 Why, Why? Why would you want your player

7:58 beats to get used to this as if it's some sort of norm?

8:01 Yeah, there's a bunch of other shit that's going on with a

8:03 bunch of other games that I'm not, I don't really want to

8:06 bring up. But As for me, though I've been

8:10 playing are more far, far West. Yes, that wasn't I.

8:15 Yes, that wasn't tended. I saw you were doing a twitch

8:18 run of nightmare. I tried to but the same thing

8:21 happened no matter what. I changed my bit rate, I

8:24 changed, you know, my settings in the game.

8:27 It just ran like shit on the stream really.

8:30 Yeah. But I've been able, like I was

8:33 able to stream Fortnite before or a lethal company or stuff.

8:36 So why can't I record any of these games now?

8:39 What changed anyway? I mean, I've been having yeah,

8:44 Nightmare. It's a lot of fun.

8:47 Nightmare's difficult. It is a lot of fun.

8:49 Yeah. Yeah.

8:50 And they actually recently released an update to where they

8:53 doubled the experience of the player and they doubled the

8:57 experience of weapons, except for the bow.

9:00 They gave it a 1.3 times I think OK multiplayer because the the

9:05 the bow levelling up was already insane.

9:07 Really. Yeah.

9:08 Since they doubled up the experience, they also doubled

9:12 how often you or they also halved how often you get points.

9:16 But you know, you're leveling up the same rate so it doesn't

9:19 matter Every two levels you get a point instead of every one.

9:22 But they doubled the experience, so you're still getting one.

9:25 Yeah. And then they also doubled when

9:29 you would unlock a joker slot. Yeah.

9:32 So instead of on 30 or on 50, but the last 1, you would now

9:36 now unlocks on 100. But they'd also double the

9:39 experience. So it's still just as fast.

9:41 Yeah, which it's just to get to prestige faster.

9:47 Oh yeah, yeah. Makes sense?

9:50 Yeah, and then they also changed around some jokers, added some

9:53 jokers to certain weapons, fixed other jokers, and they did a

9:57 whole bunch. Like instead of when you open a

9:59 chest and multiplayer, it's 234 jokers now it's one joker, the

10:05 same rarity for everybody, and it's instanced.

10:08 Oh, that's fucking. Awesome.

10:09 And when a when a joker drops, it's also instant, like from an

10:12 enemy. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty

10:15 actually cool. Yeah.

10:17 But for for me personally, that was sort of the biggest

10:20 complaint that I have had with the game was just that all the

10:24 jokers on the map are shared. And so it was very easy to just

10:28 go around and just gobble up jokers.

10:32 Yeah, yeah. But I I'm happy that they made

10:35 that change with the instance. No, I've been having a blast

10:38 with this game. I already put 50 hours into it.

10:40 I love the I love the fucking atmosphere of it.

10:43 Dude, every. The gameplay loop everything

10:45 about it's perfect yeah fucking perfectly all the all the guns

10:49 feel great like I I played mini gun until I prestige it and then

10:52 even then I'm like I want to try the shotgun, the quad cylinder.

10:56 I haven't tried the sniper, the bow, like, you know, a bunch of

10:58 them, but the guns feel good. The guns feel good.

11:03 It's great. And I'm I don't have all leveled

11:07 to have all the Joker slots unlocked.

11:09 Yeah, so I can't really run all of them on Nightmare

11:12 efficiently. Yeah, but damn, it's a good

11:16 fucking game. I cannot wait to see what else

11:19 they have in store for this game.

11:21 We should totally play more of it.

11:22 It's. I've I've been feeling the itch.

11:25 Hell yeah, I need that sci-fi western.

11:28 Yes, yeah, the what I'm running right now is a Thunder strike.

11:35 So I go up in the air and I crash back down.

11:37 Yeah, acid rain and Wisp. Wisp is kind of fucking stupid,

11:42 honestly. Really.

11:43 Yeah. Is that the voodoo one?

11:44 No, Wisp is a is a fire one. Basically, you summon a wisp

11:47 that'll float around you and in its radius it'll find the

11:51 nearest enemy. When that enemy dies, it'll find

11:53 another nearby enemy to its radius, not you.

11:56 It's so it can be. It could be awful.

11:59 Yeah. Yeah, it'll be all over there

12:01 when you like 'cause it that's it's radius, not your radius.

12:05 That's fucking funny. But if you if you combine it

12:08 with lightning it starts like bouncing around between enemies.

12:11 Like do you like pulse damage randomly?

12:15 It's fucking awesome. Jesus.

12:17 It's strong anyway. Me and Shelby have also she

12:20 started playing Overwatch. Yeah, I was just about to ask

12:22 about this. How's that going?

12:24 She loves it. I first, I was going to be like,

12:26 I don't know, like, yeah, she's never really played a hero

12:30 shooter before, so we'll see how I didn't expect to like it.

12:32 She's like, oh, this game's great.

12:35 Like, fuck yeah, dude, that's awesome, Yeah.

12:38 She she means Moira, I mean ro Metra.

12:42 That sure was so fucking fun. But then we also started playing

12:46 Fortnite because Fortnite's doing an Overwatch collab.

12:50 They they added skins for Mercy, Diva, Genji, Tracer.

12:55 Healing, yeah. They also added in the game

13:01 Mercy is healing staff only has a use of 300 OK and then

13:11 Tracer's pistols. Oh oh, this is the this is the

13:15 first gun in the game to make you go in first person.

13:20 Really. Yes.

13:21 I see. Yeah.

13:22 If you have them in your hands, you are in first person.

13:25 That's honestly pretty freaking awesome.

13:28 Yes, and you have to jump and then double jump, and you'll

13:31 boost forward wherever you're looking, just like Tracer.

13:34 That's cool. Yeah.

13:35 You'll jump around and then you go also rewind, too.

13:38 It doesn't give back your health.

13:39 Just like an Overwatch, you know, We're trying to keep the

13:42 balance here. Yeah.

13:43 Yeah, it just retraces your position.

13:45 Yeah, OK. That's pretty cool.

13:49 Yeah, it's a lot of fun, yeah. 'Cause I know you had Fortnite

13:52 introduced like first person. Yeah, they did have first person

13:56 mode, but this is the first gun to just give first person mode,

13:59 like just out of the blue. 'Cause I know there's some like

14:03 like stuff that's been created by people.

14:06 That. Have like first person modes and

14:07 whatnot and it works good. It's a lot of greener stuff.

14:10 Yeah. And then we've been playing

14:11 lethal company. How's that been?

14:15 We saw the cat last night, Cat. There's a cat.

14:19 It's on the witch's planets. So the the green, the three

14:22 green ones, there's a cat that if it spawns and apparently

14:27 spawns the most on Val, which we were on Val, it has it's

14:31 basically a giant 5 foot tall cat.

14:34 When it stands up, yeah, it's giant.

14:36 It'll you'll hear a growling and if the growling stops you kind

14:43 of fucked up unless you back off because then it'll start

14:46 attacking like it'll swipe at you and everything.

14:48 It'll it won't, it won't stop. It won't stop.

14:51 So where is this in like in the facility or is this house?

14:54 It's outside. Oh, OK.

14:56 Yeah, so me and Shelby one time were we were like around the

15:00 around the ship. She was inside.

15:02 I was outside and I heard like a growling.

15:04 I'm like, what the fuck is that? Because she was just saying that

15:08 there was a cat in the game. She's like, yeah, there's a real

15:10 weird cat that was attacking. So I'm like, oh, that's weird.

15:13 That must be a modern thing. Yeah.

15:15 And then it just happens the next run.

15:16 I'm like, fucking God. And it happened twice where I

15:21 was trying to find it outside. It went inside the ship and

15:23 attacked Shelby until I rounded the corner to get to Shelby and

15:26 it started, you know, fucked off or whatever.

15:29 God. And then we were both trying to

15:31 get back in a different run. Yeah, it attacked me and left me

15:35 alone and it lived. But you know, it attacked Shelby

15:38 first, but then it started attacking me like fuck off, fuck

15:41 off, fuck off, fuck off. Like looking at it, trying to

15:43 get it off me eventually fucked off and I was like critical.

15:46 Yeah. It jumped into the tree.

15:49 Oh God. Then a second one jumped into a

15:51 tree and they were bouncing around the trees.

15:55 So. So I had to walk to the ship on

15:59 Vow from basically the front entrance watching all of my

16:06 sixes, every single one 'cause you would see just a piercing

16:11 like 2 yellow eyes looking at you and I'm like stay the fuck

16:16 back while I'm trying to back up and get to the ship.

16:19 Two of them. I thought I was dead the.

16:24 Fuck. What that's?

16:27 What? This was added in the most

16:28 recent update. I'm like, Nah, I I got to check

16:30 the updates. Cadaver, plant, whatever.

16:33 The other one was the dog or the cat?

16:35 I mean, the cat. The cat was added, Yeah.

16:37 OK, I feel like I need to see this now.

16:42 Yeah, it's like the I want to say it's a prowler, but it's

16:45 really it's like a pay PEI pueller.

16:50 No, it's it's Mueller. It's weird.

16:52 Like it's actual name is weird. It's like.

16:55 PE APEITI don't know It's it's it's.

17:00 But it's just fucking cat. It's a cat, yeah.

17:03 Yeah, black cat with glowing eyes.

17:06 Is it at least cute? It's a cat, yes.

17:10 Yeah, it's a cat. It's a it's a low res cat, yeah.

17:16 Anyway, we should probably get into the topic for today.

17:19 It's been a minute. Ethan, what we got going on

17:21 today? We got resource management

17:24 games. Whoa, everyone clap.

17:28 God. This is my Billy.

17:35 I'm. Sorry, rated for these flocks,

17:38 slapped the mic. You're gonna have a fun time

17:42 man. This is a great.

17:43 Emphasis I am going to go fucking deaf tonight.

17:51 Oh my God, that. Reminded.

17:52 That reminds me, I think I think 2 episodes ago I want to say

17:55 sorry for also saying sorry because I ate in the microphone.

18:01 And so the recording we use has like a line that like shows how

18:05 loud or being it was flat so I thought I wasn't heard.

18:08 No, I was, I was full on heard like shit dude.

18:12 Shit, it's funny, I did not hear that.

18:14 Really. I, I, I damn well heard it.

18:18 Probably when I was doing the the the mastering it does like

18:23 mastering does boost up frequencies.

18:25 So it probably boosts that up and I just, I didn't hear it.

18:28 Because I know he said, yeah, it's literally just crunch,

18:31 crunch, crunch. Like I, I was, I know we said

18:34 that we're not going to eat, but I'm just like, I'm hungry.

18:35 They're not going to hear me. Whatever.

18:37 Yeah, Fuck, it hurt. Oh my God.

18:39 Damn it, at this point, if we're going to eat on Mike, just turn

18:42 off the fucking voice. Yeah?

18:44 Or. Bring me away from it or

18:45 whatever, you know. Yeah, I, I did not hear it.

18:49 Yeah, that's fun. Now I'm going to go back and now

18:51 I'm going to hear. Yes, you are.

18:52 And I'm like guys. I know I'm like fuck fuck.

18:56 I promised to the to the listeners.

18:59 Anyway, we're doing resource management games and any of you

19:02 guys want to go first or have me or?

19:05 How's about you go first? Set the tone.

19:07 How's about me go first? Set the tone.

19:09 Set the style. All right, we're going to go.

19:10 We're going to go to. Horse racing.

19:13 Got it. Yep, Uno musume.

19:18 I can just hear Nick now. You'd hear a Dong in the window

19:25 like Bong, did you just say that, Nick?

19:28 He's like, oh, did I hear something?

19:31 I felt a disturbance in the Force.

19:37 Anyway, no, no, no not. Much to pay anything but.

19:43 That I want to talk about Gem craft.

19:47 Any of them in the series doesn't matter.

19:49 OK, I know there's gem craft, gem craft, labyrinth, Frostborn,

19:54 Wrath, and chasing shadows. Chasing Shadows, the one I

19:56 played the most. I think there's even a fifth one

19:58 but I can't remember the name. They all have the same premise.

20:01 You have a board, the enemies come from outside of the board

20:04 and follow a path to the orb. Because you are to protect the

20:08 worb with gems and you can placed on walls, you can placed

20:12 on towers, but you cannot block every square in the path.

20:17 They have to have at least one valid square to the path.

20:20 Yeah, yeah. Or, yeah.

20:25 So you can like, you can, you can bring them to a, you know,

20:27 between like one tiny square and they all have to fit through

20:30 that. So basically a choke point.

20:33 Or you can like if it's a really open map, you can just put walls

20:36 down everywhere and just make a whole fucking maze for them to

20:39 go through kind of stalling time.

20:42 But all of this costs mana, and you generate mana as the game

20:47 plays. Yeah.

20:49 And as your mana pool increases, which is just a certain

20:52 threshold of mana that you have available, it will increase.

20:56 I think how much money you passively generate as well as

20:58 skill points can do that anyway. But if your tower hits zero, you

21:04 lose mana. Yeah.

21:06 And like I said, towers cost mana crafting gems, especially

21:09 the grade of the gems. So it doesn't matter what grade

21:12 there's, sorry, it doesn't matter what kind of gem, the

21:15 grade matters. So I think like grade 4 is like

21:18 1660 or something like that. Mana maybe, I don't know.

21:22 Anyway, it's some amount of mana and that could be critical hit,

21:27 which is yellow area, like area damage, which is red or I think

21:36 it's called pool bound. Like it's basically tied to your

21:38 mana pool. The higher level your mana pool

21:40 is, the more damage it does. Yeah, there's also like I think

21:44 soul bound or somewhere, the more damage it deals, the more

21:47 once it hits the threshold of deals even more damage.

21:53 But like I said, all this cost mana.

21:55 So does setting up all the defenses and everything.

21:59 But if the enemies get to your orb, you and you know, they'll

22:04 take some mana, and the more times they go through your orb,

22:06 the more times the more mana they take.

22:09 Yeah. So you not only have to balance

22:12 your mana in terms of placing down towers, you have to balance

22:15 your mana in terms of, oh, if an enemy gets through, will I be

22:18 fine? So you can't just be Willy nilly

22:20 just slamming down gems everywhere in towers and towers

22:26 cost more. The more you, I think the more

22:28 you place balls. Definitely do Amplifiers do.

22:32 There's a whole bunch of shit. There's a whole bunch of fucking

22:34 shit to this game, But it's just it's it's really cool that your

22:37 resource to build is also your resource to lose.

22:41 Yeah, or your condition to lose. I didn't know that.

22:46 Yeah, that was actually, it's actually a pretty cool tower

22:50 defence kind of game. And like some, some it's called

22:53 tiles, at least in chasing shadows.

22:56 Some tiles have like a a quest there.

22:59 It's like, oh shoot, you have to unlock the wizard tower and like

23:04 none of the locks is a Yep, you have to place down a gem and

23:07 then have a bolt on it. And then the bolt will shoot at

23:11 the wizard tower or the lock. And once the lock breaks, once

23:15 all the locks break, you get the tome or whatever is on that map.

23:19 And that can be very helpful. But it also you have to place

23:22 down that gem and take away from your defenses when it could be

23:26 aiding your defenses in order to focus on it's a lot.

23:30 Yeah. There's a, there can be a lot to

23:32 juggle, yeah. And what not.

23:35 But yeah, it's, it's I, it's a, it's a pretty fun game.

23:40 I, I played it back, bro, even 1 flash game Flash was the thing.

23:45 That's how long ago I played it. God.

23:48 Yeah, when Flash was still a thing.

23:53 What's it been like 5 or 6 years?

23:56 It's been, had been. Even longer.

23:58 Longer than that. Yeah.

24:00 At least it was like what, 20/17/2018?

24:04 Something like that. Yeah, right around that time.

24:07 Yeah, I think Chasing Shadows came out in like 2014.

24:10 I think 'cause I. Know what flash Flash went out

24:13 in 20. 20 That's what I mean, yeah.

24:16 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now it's been a little bit of

24:19 time. Yeah.

24:20 Kind of crazy that it's been that long since Flash one.

24:22 You know, I, I remember being like, in kind of like the, the

24:25 gem craft, like Discourse and it was like, Oh yeah, no, we like,

24:28 we like Labyrinth better. Labyrinth is so much better.

24:32 Let me let me check what Labyrinth is all about.

24:34 Sucks really fucking fun. I can see why people say it's

24:38 better. Yeah.

24:41 But yeah, no, there's just having, having the resource as a

24:44 loose condition is always something cool that like just

24:48 something they have to balance. Yeah, But yeah, what about?

24:52 What about other review twos? You want me to go, Mr. Brandon?

24:56 Brandon before Mark. Before we do that.

25:01 You also gonna say sorry? Yeah, I have nothing.

25:04 To be sorry about. OK, being a bitch.

25:08 Being a brand. I will mute your track.

25:13 Don't push my buttons. I'll push yours.

25:18 Yeah, It's my motherfucker. Yeah.

25:22 Who put you on the planet? Do are are we allowed to talk

25:29 about survival games? Do those technically count?

25:34 I guess one can make the you argue that's the word.

25:39 You have to manage your resources or you fuck like me.

25:44 I just don't think you know that they're kind of really seen as

25:47 resource management, like survival, like horror survival

25:51 depends, I feel like, on the type of game.

25:53 Those those games, I can see them being a resource

25:57 management, but they're not solely that.

26:00 It's not just like resource management.

26:01 That's it. 'Cause like, there's, it's not,

26:04 it's not black and white for horror survival.

26:06 It is fucking. You can take Resident Evil.

26:08 That's probably on like the easy side of horror survival.

26:11 Yeah. But then fucking, I don't know.

26:16 There's there's definitely plenty of horror games out there

26:19 where it's like it focuses on the horror and it's like you

26:22 break your bones, you're fucked. Yeah, you have to find a healing

26:26 kit or you're fucked. And they are not common.

26:29 Yeah, like the like that kind of.

26:32 It it really just depends on the degree of it 'cause there's,

26:35 there's simplistic and there's. God, it's awful.

26:40 Yeah, like you're managing. It when I feel like a when I

26:44 feel it's a resource management game.

26:45 And you can argue that dumb craft really isn't a resource

26:49 management, but it also kind of is at the same time.

26:52 It like I feel like it walks that line more so tower defense,

26:55 but it's like a 6040 anyway. It's just when when I think

27:01 resource management, I think the extremes.

27:06 OK. That's just my opinion.

27:11 'Cause I, I guess like they're like some survival games.

27:14 You're like managing every single thing imaginable, like

27:17 health. Food, right?

27:18 Yeah. Health, food, sanity, water,

27:22 that kind of shit, Yeah. You need some time to think.

27:29 Man could say it. Say it.

27:35 What's on your mind? Say it, say it, say it.

27:39 Minecraft could be considered that in a way.

27:46 In a way, In a way. Not fully, because you're not

27:49 looking at every single thing here.

27:52 It's more of, oh, I want this thing and I need to manage

27:54 myself. To go get that like if you

27:56 really want I guess what I could say is.

27:59 Got to go to the liquor store, get up.

28:06 My legs go like this and then they go like this and then I'm

28:09 at the liquor. Store.

28:13 I bought some cobblestone at the.

28:14 Liquor store? He got the reference.

28:20 Fuck yeah, dude. It's really too old for our

28:29 friend group. I don't know, man, I don't know.

28:34 That's such a fucking niche reference.

28:39 So the I guess the only one I can really think of that could

28:43 be considered a resource management but his survival is

28:46 like 7 days to die. Yeah, that, that's a good one.

28:49 I. Would say that yeah.

28:50 I haven't played it personally. I've played a little bit.

28:52 Of it I own it but. I want to then project Zomboid

28:56 as well. But.

28:59 OK, because I'm playing Seven Days to Die by Yourself is kind

29:05 of. Yeah, I I heard it's tough.

29:07 Like it it's not awful, but it it's better with friends That's

29:15 I don't know pal world would even be that it doesn't go that

29:17 much into it. Pal world doesn't it's.

29:21 It's kind of weird in its own little way.

29:23 Yeah, it it how I think of it. It's got similar mechanics to

29:28 ARK in terms of it's like. Arc Yeah.

29:32 It it really is just like a an arc SIM with Pokémon esque

29:38 characters on it. That's that's all I ever come to

29:42 when I'm thinking pal world and it's it's jobs, it's research,

29:49 it's resource management. It it it just evolves down back

29:54 into it. It it's literally just arc.

29:56 Yeah, quite literally. Yeah.

29:58 Yeah, I guess I'll just throw this one out there too, because

30:02 I know you're going to talk about a Mark Satisfactory that

30:04 is 1 I have played. That I thought I was talking

30:06 about it, but I was going to go in a different direction.

30:11 So if you want to talk about it, you can go ahead and talk.

30:15 About it, I don't know a lot about it.

30:17 This man over here does. I do.

30:19 But yeah. And I want, and I want to drag

30:22 you kicking and screaming into my autism so.

30:27 Good luck with that buddy. OK, you can play with me instead

30:31 of this guy. I will hold you to standards.

30:38 I will have documents you. Will make the company proud.

30:44 Your buildings have to be up to code and I will hand you a 20

30:50 page packet called. It will e-mail you personally if

30:53 you fuck off. It has to be this punch

30:57 efficiency. I have set regulatory standards.

31:03 Your containers are over by it half a cent we have.

31:07 Weekly We have weekly reviews, performance reviews.

31:16 You have one less generator. I am going to cut your balls.

31:20 Hey man, you're a screws production.

31:22 You're down by like 50 to 60 screws per minute.

31:27 The fucks that you you want to explain what's happening here?

31:30 Death by space elevator. Death by space elevator.

31:34 No, that's what I'm just like, oh fuck this shit.

31:36 Nuke the entire fucking. Bad pioneers get sent into the

31:40 hyper tube. Kitten bad.

31:44 Pioneers get forced to play boxing.

31:48 Not boxing, no. Whatever it's called.

31:51 It's like shipping or something like packet fuck.

31:57 There's a mini game. Oh, so in the hub, at the

32:01 computer in the hub, there's a mini game where all you're doing

32:05 is you're taking tiles and you're trying to fit as many of

32:10 these like tetroids on on into the package.

32:15 And you're sealing the package and sending it off.

32:18 And you have like a minute and a half to get as many of these

32:22 done, to get as much points as possible.

32:28 OK, but you know, so I, I only put a little bit of satisfactory

32:34 so I don't have much input on it, but I know the general idea

32:38 of getting me everything connected, you know, electricity

32:42 and all that shit. Getting things on Veyor belts,

32:44 getting them put into big ass containers and shit, trying to

32:48 organize crap, try to make things efficient.

32:51 Yeah, me, I'm just like, yeah, just going to throw that right

32:54 there. Going to throw that right there

32:56 going. To throw it right there here

32:58 comes mark and then I go aneurysm and I just go back to

33:04 put it there hey mark watch this put it in the Scott I'm.

33:11 Going to come back, the place is going to look at look like,

33:15 let's give it out. It would.

33:18 It would with with the fucking uranium.

33:20 Tornado, I mean, like the one time we played, like Brandon was

33:24 just watching me build like we had 'cause we had like 12

33:27 biomass burners. Yeah.

33:28 And so I'm like, we need to, we need to make some biomass.

33:31 And so we made a whole bunch of biomass.

33:32 I'm like, I wasn't dragging them.

33:34 So I'm just, I made a whole conveyor system.

33:35 Brandon saw and he just, he made, he watched me saw like

33:39 poof out like a two-story building of just conveyor belts

33:44 and other shit. Just to beat all this biomass

33:46 into the biomass burners. We needed energy.

33:49 Yeah. And that's when my ass went out

33:51 and got more shit for the biomass we need.

33:56 More biomass for the biomass. I think we're starting on coal

33:59 now though. I think so.

34:01 I think we just crossed that, yeah.

34:04 'Cause I think now aren't we trying to transport it from one

34:06 location that's like away from the base, Yeah.

34:09 Or some shit. Like it's, it's a process.

34:13 Yeah. But it is satisfying.

34:15 Yeah, it's in the name, Yeah. You said it.

34:19 You said it. Alarms, buzzers, everything.

34:21 Trumpets. Jingle Bells.

34:29 What do you think? What noises?

34:33 Does that random noise? And it and it.

34:35 Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, you got to include more of

34:38 your onomatopoeias I hope, and anything you just have some like

34:43 stock sounds of generic guy saying random words and shit.

34:48 You think I'm? Going to go fucking do this

34:52 shit. Bam, pow.

34:55 Smack. What is this, the fucking 60s?

34:59 Yes. Yeah, Is this Batman?

35:03 No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no.

35:06 And then yeah, each one, it's got to have like a title card

35:09 with the word. It's got to have that the the

35:12 little sound effect that goes underneath.

35:18 We don't even have video my God. You can.

35:21 You can make it up in the audio. They can imagine it.

35:27 Our viewers are strong independent listeners.

35:33 OK, yeah, I think we got off topic of a a resource.

35:38 Management. Oh, do you want me to talk about

35:41 resource management? Yes, I want you to talk about

35:43 resource management. Let me talk to you about

35:45 Stellaris. I'll let you talk about

35:47 Stellaris. Oh boy, I love my 4K game.

35:52 OK, so basically Stellaris, for anybody who's not heard of it,

35:58 it's basically Galactic Empire SIM.

36:04 So you design your species, you design the, you choose all the

36:11 presets of the planet that they live on, all the traits that

36:15 your species has, the traits for your government, the government

36:18 that the species has. And you spawn into the Galaxy

36:24 and you start to stink. A claim for yourself.

36:27 That means expanding your borders, claiming more

36:31 territory, finding more resources, claiming new

36:36 colonies, going at it with your neighbors, either in a

36:40 cooperative sense or in a sense of conquest in order to just

36:47 live out your life as your empire in the Galaxy.

36:51 So what people typically see is, oh, you're just you're

36:55 expanding. And then you can do real cool

36:58 space fights and stuff. No, that's all the fun, flashy

37:02 stuff that you see. The main crux of the game.

37:05 It's an economic SIM. Yeah.

37:10 And you have to learn. We're we're we're we're part of

37:15 the learning Cliff is with this game is you have to learn how to

37:18 actually manage the economy and you and it's it's not simple.

37:27 It's very complex. You've got minerals, you have to

37:31 manage power, you have to manage food, you have to manage

37:36 civilian goods, you have to manage special alloys, you have

37:41 to manage and that's just the five base stuff you have to

37:44 manage. Then you get into the special

37:47 resources where you've got volatile moats, you've got

37:53 exotic gas and you've got rare crystals.

37:57 Believe. Oh, it yeah, just believe.

38:01 And then you've got artifacts that you can mine.

38:04 You've also got, in some instances, nanites you have to

38:08 manage. And what's really great about

38:12 the game is that if you run out of any of these materials, you

38:16 can instantly get into a death spiral spiral with your economy.

38:21 Hurray, hurray. Oh, and before we continue and

38:26 before the certain episode comes out, can you guys guess how many

38:29 hours Mark has? And still it's a.

38:34 Lot. Even I don't remember the.

38:37 I I forget it's it's a lot. Yeah, I cannot wait for that to

38:43 come out. I know.

38:45 Oh, they're so ready for it. I feel bad because leading up to

38:49 it I thought this was going to take like 2 to 3 hours to

38:52 actually do. And it took literally about as

38:55 long as it. Yeah, me too.

38:58 Yeah. I don't understand how that

39:01 worked out. Neither do I I I I felt like

39:03 such a buzzkill at the end of the I was like, really it, Only

39:06 it's only been like an hour and a half.

39:08 I hope you have the praise on your table.

39:19 Perfect, perfect. I'm speechless.

39:32 What I am I'm confused What? I said I hope you have the prize

39:40 on your table. Say some fuck shit.

39:51 No, he says. You want to ask him again?

39:54 Oh yes, I do. OK, good, good.

39:59 Yeah, there's a little prize. Yes.

40:02 They came with everything. You will find out soon.

40:07 Yeah, you'll find out soon. A little self censorship makes

40:10 the ha ha funnies. And you will find out who wins.

40:18 In the next episode of Dragon. Yes.

40:21 Yeah. But anyways, yeah, so the

40:25 resource management of Stellaris, basically it comes

40:29 down to you have to manage trying just to get surpluses of

40:34 all the materials. As long as you're in the green,

40:37 you're good. Otherwise you have to get

40:40 creative with your shortfalls. That means you're turning off

40:44 buildings. You're in a sense, it's an awful

40:51 idea, but you can do it. You can cut your fleet in half

40:56 or you can buy resources on the market.

40:58 There's there's many different ways of just influencing how you

41:02 get these materials and by having these materials that

41:06 allows you to upgrade your umpire, get stronger and just

41:11 have a much better time. And that's that that's like the

41:17 huge cross crux that I'm always so interested in is, is just

41:22 being able to manage all all these different resources and

41:28 just just watching the effects of just being able to have just

41:33 trying to plan around just doing stuff with the resource

41:37 management. Very complicated.

41:41 Very Mark Tone. Yep.

41:46 Very, very. That sounds about right.

41:50 Yeah, right. Yeah, no, here's my question.

41:55 Would void crew. Count.

41:58 I think void crew would count, yeah.

42:01 That's like a resource management rogue like.

42:04 Yeah, that's literally. Yeah.

42:06 Yeah, that could count. Yeah, especially if you're doing

42:09 kinetic builds. Yeah, because.

42:14 In that game, guns have different types of ammo.

42:17 There's ones that overheat, which are pretty rare actually.

42:21 Like they don't have, they don't have any ammo per SE, but they

42:25 can overheat. Then there's Kinetic, which take

42:28 batteries and. That's not kinetic.

42:30 Nope, Kinetic takes bullets. Oh.

42:32 I'm stupid, Yeah. Kinetic is bullets, actually.

42:35 Bullets because I'm smart. And then what psionic takes

42:39 back? Don't know.

42:42 Freaking would. Like lasers?

42:43 Yeah. Laser beams.

42:46 And sharks with freaking laser beams on their forehead.

42:50 I actually just watched that. God damn it.

42:56 Awesome movie by the way. The you know, you also have to

43:03 like control the Shields and all that and like which way you're

43:08 facing as to not take damage or even like your positioning as

43:11 well against lots of enemies including fucking snipers.

43:17 And then there's little Murky has to go out onto the ship to

43:20 patch holes. Yep.

43:22 Freak out to be like guys, guys, the enemy ships they're

43:26 targeting. Me because there was a little

43:27 update that. That somebody swings their gut

43:30 around and they're like, don't worry, I'll save you take care

43:33 of it, Oscar splat. Oh, I died because you shot me

43:42 out on the. Fucking deck blank now.

43:46 You killed blank blank, you monster.

43:49 And he's still smiling. He's he's all right.

43:51 Oh, OK. All right.

43:53 That's good. So I have to manage the biomass

43:55 of the ship because I'm the only.

43:57 One fucking dying. Remember that time when we

44:02 fought the sun? Oh.

44:03 My she's yes, we fought a fucking sun.

44:08 We we went into the fight and Jack was like, is that a sun

44:14 that's a star? I'm just, I'm just looking at

44:16 it. I'm like.

44:18 I don't. I don't believe it.

44:20 From my perspective, before you start describing Boris, all I

44:24 saw was orange coming through the windows because I was facing

44:28 the back of the ship just watching the engine.

44:31 I'm like, why is everything so orange?

44:34 It was pretty ominous. Like, it was it was.

44:36 It made the ship look fucking cool as shit.

44:38 Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

44:40 Wow, I love the lighting time. But then the fight started,

44:44 yeah, and we had no time to sit around.

44:51 Jack was master class at that. Fucking maneuvering.

44:55 We should have not survived that fight.

44:57 No, we're not ready. We did it the first time.

45:00 Yes, he. Dodged the first attack.

45:02 Yeah, there's a there's a point where like the all the energy

45:06 cells or whatever comes out in a circle from the sun and just

45:09 shoots a giant. Fucking beam, Yeah.

45:13 And Jack's like, I'm just going to go down to the right.

45:16 Like how did you have the brain speed for that?

45:19 And me. And fucking Ethan.

45:21 I was, I was stunned for a second.

45:23 I'm like just watching this whole giant beam just go past.

45:29 All right? Yeah, I guess I'll shoot now.

45:33 I guess I'll probably start shooting.

45:36 It just it, it still just makes me laugh.

45:38 We spawn in. Is that a sun?

45:41 What, is there a star? Holy shit there's.

45:44 Hexagons coming out of it. What we we got through the fight

45:52 and then we went to the next area and then we die after.

45:54 I think so. Because that was literally the

45:57 the thing telling you. Like we won by the skin of our

46:01 ass. No, we're not surviving the next

46:03 thing. Yeah, I'm like you get you get a

46:05 you get a manager resources because you also get a craft

46:08 ammo, not only the batteries, but the ammo as well as repairs

46:11 for the ship. Yeah, repairs for the ship as

46:13 well as crafting modules and even like the biomass in the

46:16 ship for when you die and then you have to be just heal in

46:21 general, you have to make sure the ship has the.

46:23 Power to support all this. God forbid you drain the oxygen.

46:28 Or you open up the door. You know, before you shut the.

46:32 That's what I'm saying. You drain the oxygen I.

46:35 Remember I'm getting flashbacks to the play through with Nick.

46:38 Oh. My God.

46:41 Wait, was it Nick that didn't? Yes, Nick, he was.

46:44 He was just trying to learn how to play.

46:46 And he's like, oh, I'll just flip the switch on the fucking

46:50 airlock. And then it opens up and it's

46:52 like the oxygen's gone, the temperature plummets.

46:59 We're like, Oh my fucking God, I was.

47:02 We all had to put on jetpacks to live on the inside of.

47:05 This. I was panicking, trying to

47:07 survive. I put on a jetpack at the last

47:10 second. I was at one health.

47:13 I was literally at one health and I was going to go heal

47:16 myself. But it's like, Oh yeah, you

47:18 can't wear jet packs in the biomass place.

47:20 I'm like, oh fuck. So I had to go back down, put it

47:23 back and then go back up to heal myself.

47:26 I couldn't do that. I was going to die until we had

47:28 a stable atmosphere and. Here's me feeling like I'm

47:32 pushing the button on the fucking at this the life

47:37 support. Every 30 seconds I'm like please

47:40 get us back to normal. Oh God, it was bad.

47:45 Doesn't doesn't like actually like when that happens, does it

47:48 suck you out of the ship? No.

47:49 Oh. OK, so now that would have.

47:51 Been now I I think only. I think only if you were in the

47:54 airlock probably. But then again, the game has

47:57 magnetic boots. OK.

47:59 So yeah. Yeah, it's not like it would

48:00 have just done. That, but that I I know that

48:02 would have sucked, but that would have been kind of funny.

48:05 Oh, what's this stupid? Oh.

48:11 No. Nick, you bother fucking me that

48:15 that makes the question if you're if you're not touching

48:17 the ground. If that happens, doesn't it'd be

48:21 fucking funny. Just.

48:23 We should test it out, yeah. That's that's.

48:28 Fucking God. Good game.

48:30 Oh, very good game. Oh my God, yeah.

48:32 But man, everybody's got to be on the same page.

48:35 I just yes talking talking back to that sudden.

48:39 I just love how Jack turned into Captain Jack.

48:42 Yeah. Just instantly took charge of

48:45 the situation. We're like, OK, cool.

48:48 He. When when he wants shit done, he

48:50 gets shit done. Yeah, yeah.

48:52 It's like, don't get in his way. Let him do it.

48:56 Let him do it Like he he you're in his way, he'll push out the

48:59 way. He gets shit done, man.

49:01 I I love his fucking aura when he when he actually takes charge

49:07 because he does take charge. And it's like.

49:09 It's an instant fucking. Snap.

49:12 And I'm like, yes, Sir. He's like, Mark, I need all

49:17 power to the fucking thrusters. Focus only on the thrusters.

49:20 I'm like, yes, Sir. I'm doing my part.

49:24 I'm doing my part. I just don't know how he's how

49:27 Jack is so good with the ship. It's hard.

49:30 Yeah, he he can get a hold of difficult mechanics pretty

49:33 fucking quickly. I wish I could, man.

49:35 That's. Have you seen him?

49:37 Have you seen him play the multitude of monster games solo?

49:40 Oh yeah, Guild quests, Yeah. He's a fucking God when it comes

49:45 to that shit. Fuck.

49:47 It and I'm here like. I'm sorry.

49:58 Go on, go on, go on. I I shut up.

50:01 I feel like I've had those moments honestly, but not

50:04 nowhere near as often as Jack Don is.

50:06 Consistently, Oh my fucking God. But he locks in.

50:09 He locks in and it's like, fucking awesome.

50:12 It's not even he locks the fuck in.

50:14 He is locked the fuck in. He is.

50:18 Locked my My version of that is when everyone else is dead.

50:22 I'm like I'm the one, I'm the one to revive the team.

50:25 Yes, yes. Like we were, we were fucking

50:27 around in repo, everyone was fucking dead.

50:29 I'm like, all right, well, I guess I have to revive everyone

50:32 now. So I'm just like, I am not

50:34 dying. And I was having a little fun

50:37 with it. I'm like, all right, kids, get

50:38 in the cart. Get in the cart.

50:40 You're not getting revived. Offs out of the cart, OK.

50:49 All your ass here. Please come back, I think you're

50:54 a good doodle. I I, I actually think you left

50:58 one of us because you're like, man, fuck this.

51:00 Yeah, like you're taking the damn car.

51:01 I'm leaving you. Yeah, I left you guys and then

51:05 they're like all right, all right, all right, I'll get in

51:07 the cart and like I just left you guys to get into.

51:09 I didn't pick you up. You guys got in the back in the

51:11 car? You get in the cart.

51:14 And then I finally found the revive and I'm just like, oh,

51:17 Emma popped out and I'm like, Emma, you're not getting

51:20 revived. I'm not doing it for you.

51:24 She just, she just stayed there. You're like, OK.

51:31 That's that's. Dead Ethan's bed.

51:39 Or or it's happened a couple times in lethal where all of us

51:42 are dead. Oh.

51:43 God. And you're like, OK, all right.

51:46 That's what I did exactly what the fucking cats I had to lock

51:49 in. There were two of them.

51:50 Yeah. It was like I, I was like

51:52 staring at one backing up, and then I had to turn around for

51:55 the other one to to back up. And then by the time the first

51:58 one already repositioned itself, I'm like, I am not losing this

52:02 fucking mission because of these God damn cats.

52:04 Yeah, I'm getting back on the shit.

52:05 You can ask Shelby. You can ask fucking Shelby right

52:07 now. I could.

52:11 I could just see that. No talking, silence, just.

52:17 I'm focused. I do that when when I'm the last

52:20 person left, that's when I activate.

52:22 I'm like a fucking sleeper agent.

52:23 I. Think I, I only had that happen

52:27 at least from when I in lethal company, I think one time where

52:30 everybody was dead. I think we're we're playing like

52:32 modded and I got to find this clip because Jesus Christ, you

52:37 want lethal to be scary. Well, here you go.

52:40 When everybody was dead, Mark's body was a mask and I, my

52:45 flashlight died. I was in that mansion facility

52:49 and I just see his fucking body come out of the shadow with the

52:55 mask on. That's fucking freaky.

52:59 I don't get total. Silence like I don't.

53:01 Get scared or jump scared very easily.

53:07 That sucked because it was his body, then the little girl, then

53:11 the jester and I'm like, are you fucked?

53:15 And I'm all turned around. I don't know where I'm at.

53:18 I got the shotgun and shit ran out of ammo.

53:23 Oh my God. That sucked.

53:25 There was, there was. There was one time not too, not

53:29 too long ago, me and Shelby were playing repo, just the two of

53:32 us, and she had the most shitting experience she could

53:38 have. So we were both inside the both

53:42 inside the facility. There was a thumper and this is

53:45 the industrial. So I, I ran out of there because

53:48 the thumper was attacking me. So I, yeah, I made it 2 lucky

53:52 turns and somehow found my way out to the main entrance

53:55 panicking. And I got out and I was like,

53:58 OK, all right. I, I, I waited at the main

54:00 entrance to see if Shelby would come out and see if she was

54:02 following me. She wasn't.

54:04 So I'm just like, all right, I think she's dead.

54:09 I think she's dead. I'm sorry, Shelby, I had to get

54:12 out of there. I didn't want to die either.

54:14 So I get to the ship and I, I placed on my stuff and I walk up

54:18 to the to the camera and I start watching.

54:22 Shelby's just standing there. I couldn't tell if she was alive

54:25 or not. She was just, and, and it was

54:27 weird 'cause she was like turning a little.

54:29 So I thought maybe she got in a cocoon.

54:31 Yeah. 'Cause you know in a in a cocoon

54:33 you bounce around and shit. And so I'm like, OK, so a spider

54:36 got and then she started moving from her perspective thumper.

54:41 She got lost after running away from the thumper.

54:44 The thumper was thumping around her and what not.

54:46 There was a bracken also as well.

54:48 So she was hiding from the bracken.

54:52 Manny. There was a man here in the

54:56 building, so she didn't know what the fuck to do.

54:58 She just heard whiz. It was fucking crawling around.

55:01 The first time she saw it was tiny.

55:02 The second time it was it was big.

55:04 It was. Adult.

55:05 She was big. And so she's freaking out in the

55:08 little, the, the big room, the really big room.

55:11 Yeah, go up the stairs and take a left.

55:13 Yeah. She was stuck in like a little

55:14 like corner room over there. And she was like, I don't know

55:18 what to do. And then she saw like the me

55:20 dropping my stuff onto the ship and she's like, he fucking left

55:23 me. She fucking left me because she,

55:29 because this entire time she's like Ethan, Ethan, Ethan.

55:34 No, no. And then she's like, oh, fuck

55:42 no. And she, like, she sprinted and

55:45 just wrote, drove off a Cliff because she's like, I'm not

55:48 doing this. Anymore.

55:53 I mean, sometimes you just got to do that.

55:56 Yeah, like she was so scared. She just wanted to stop her

56:01 words. I just.

56:03 Wanted it to end. I still need to send Shelby the

56:07 the footage I got of her, But when I I was dead, I think you

56:12 were dead and I was dead, I think.

56:16 And she went into like the we're in that the mine shaft kind of

56:19 crap, you know, location and she was in The Cave and she turned a

56:22 corner and she got killed. I forgot what did it but her

56:26 scream. Perfect.

56:29 Dude, I got to send that to her. That was, I mean, it was genuine

56:34 fear, which I, I kind of felt a little bad because I'm like, I

56:39 know how that is, but it was just really funny.

56:42 Oh, she's had a lot of genuine fear moments where she's like.

56:46 Because I mean. Hey, she got to she got to see

56:50 me with the five bracken. So I think that kind of levels

56:53 out. A thundering silence approaches.

56:58 Well, I remember. When the fucking man.

57:01 But like, Oh my God, there's five of them.

57:04 And then I turn around, I'm like, oh, please don't come up

57:08 the ladder. And then the one comes up from

57:10 behind. It's like hello.

57:13 Well, I, I remember when you, you, you said you scared the

57:16 shit out of all of us, even though it wasn't you when you

57:22 were, I think infected with that, like Spore.

57:25 That. Thing and we thought you were

57:27 alive and your body got back to the fucking ship and it just

57:32 mutated and we're like. Yeah, I'm like, guys need to go.

57:38 I'm I'm dead. I'm like, guys need to go

57:40 because because I got back to the ship.

57:42 I'm like, I'm feeling weird as my as my vision blurs from like

57:46 the to infrared. Basically, yes, it blurred an

57:50 infrared and I just fucking died.

57:51 I'm like Emma's right next to me.

57:53 She dies because she didn't know what the fuck to do.

57:56 Dude this sounds of that happening holy shit.

58:02 Remember when this episode was about Resource Man?

58:04 Yeah, that's right. A place.

58:06 I think it's a little late. At this party.

58:08 We're already off the rails. Yeah, I I remember that instance

58:13 because Shelby and I were walking up the hill and coming

58:16 back to the ship and we're like, huh, that's weird.

58:19 I saw something like cross by briefly.

58:22 It was like, was that one of the foxes?

58:25 It was like, huh, OK, cool. We get back to the ship because

58:29 we're like, oh, yeah, everybody's already waiting in

58:30 the ship. Well, look at it's a bloodbath.

58:33 We're like what the fuck happened here?

58:38 I was like I have. No idea what the fuck happened.

58:46 I'm like Shelby, it looks like a dog got in here.

58:49 Scrouch. I was like, I see Ethan still

58:53 moving on the screen, We'll wait for him to come back.

58:56 If I don't, don't, don't, don't leave.

59:01 And then I see you passing by enemies on the map of like,

59:04 that's not Ethan. I'm like, I'd better take us off

59:08 now. Our woman the fucking when we

59:11 were on what artifice and was it like 2?

59:16 We were using that brutal company model, like two or three

59:18 masks outside the ship and fucking I feel, I feel so bad

59:24 for Jack it it's a genuine fear of a of a mimic like that, like

59:30 it really is. God, I felt so bad for Jack.

59:35 Got the ship, got the ship, got the.

59:37 Ship or. When I got jump scared by the

59:41 mimic because I was in the the facility, the regular facility

59:46 and I'm trying to get away from these two masks or whatever.

59:50 And I guess when I got to the big large room with the hole in

59:53 the middle of the room, you know that really long hole, what I'm

59:57 talking about. Yeah, yeah, the long boy.

1:00:00 Well apparently there was 2 doors.

1:00:03 I didn't know that and when I went through the one of the

1:00:07 doors I'm like, I'm like watching like where they go.

1:00:10 Here it is right in my fucking face.

1:00:12 Scare the shit. I'm like you, motherfucker.

1:00:16 Lethal is a scary game. It is like it is.

1:00:19 Funny. But when it's scary, it's

1:00:22 fucking scary. Play by yourself.

1:00:25 Oh God, I try. I have tried and I can't.

1:00:28 I've tried to do a new VR. I have and I saw the mask in VR.

1:00:34 It's the eerie silence of just the eerie, just playing alone.

1:00:38 And you hear everything. Yes, yeah.

1:00:41 And now with this new update, there's new sounds and shit, so

1:00:44 it just, it doesn't. Help.

1:00:48 Even to Zeekers, he really did master class that.

1:00:51 Yeah, he made a good game. Yeah, I.

1:00:55 Applauds to him. Man, fucking Christ you got me

1:00:59 good brother. Yeah, we'll say I did get a

1:01:01 video of Shelby just like blabbering on and on when she

1:01:04 died. He's like, there's a, there's A

1:01:07 and then there was, I got, I got a tire.

1:01:11 Like I recorded her relaying her experience of like, I just

1:01:14 wanted to stop. Please.

1:01:18 And I'm like I told her, like I recorded that, like you recorded

1:01:22 me ranting. Just because it was, it was just

1:01:26 so fucking jet. You been, dude.

1:01:30 I mean it, it really is those experiences.

1:01:33 It is man. You try to explain what the fuck

1:01:36 just happened but it's really hard to cause so much shit just

1:01:39 happened in a fraction of a second.

1:01:40 It. It it's just probable.

1:01:43 Yeah, there, there was one. There was one time where the

1:01:45 manager came up to us. I'm like, oh, Shelby, you need

1:01:47 to go, you need to go. I'm going to drop my ship.

1:01:49 You take drop my stuff, you can take it to the ship and I just

1:01:52 pick up the baby and I just I just start taking.

1:01:54 He's like, why? He's like, I saw it first.

1:01:56 It is the rule. You take care of it.

1:01:58 Yeah, saw me. First, congratulations your

1:02:01 father. As you're trying to keep this

1:02:05 thing from crying and then starts crying and then you're

1:02:07 you're giving it fucking shaking baby syndrome.

1:02:09 Please stop. Yeah, I know.

1:02:11 Like I said it on the ground, I'm like Shelby, just just grab

1:02:14 the stuff and go. And it's just, it's sitting down

1:02:15 and just goes and it starts crying because it fell

1:02:18 backwards. I'm like, Oh my God, Shelby, go.

1:02:23 I pick it up and I started digging it.

1:02:26 Like just stop. That's what that's what I

1:02:28 remember that killed Shelby, if I'm right, the jester after it

1:02:33 popped, Yeah. And it went into The Cave.

1:02:36 'Cause. She hates the caves.

1:02:41 You heard it. You heard it running.

1:02:43 Is it? Claustrophobic.

1:02:46 I think it's just there's always a fucking threat in there.

1:02:48 I don't think she's supposed to throw.

1:02:49 Maybe she is like a little bit but.

1:02:51 Being in a very cramped space for anybody, yeah is

1:02:55 frightening. It's unsettling.

1:02:56 Yes, because like, there's not much room to boom here.

1:03:00 I really don't mind the caves much honestly.

1:03:03 I don't like them. I hate the fucking water in the

1:03:05 caves. Yeah, he died the.

1:03:07 One, I don't mind the water either.

1:03:08 I'm like, why do I keep getting? Stuck I Dude, I've been having

1:03:12 that issue like you. There's a point where you just

1:03:14 cannot get past the for some fucking reason, you just can't

1:03:16 get past the water. You like stuck on the geometry.

1:03:19 Or yeah, remember. That happened to him.

1:03:21 Me and Emma are just watching the water.

1:03:23 We hear him and you hear everything drop that he just

1:03:27 had. They need to make it just a

1:03:30 little bit bigger. Yeah, yeah.

1:03:32 I mean, yeah, it it, it could use some work in there.

1:03:35 But. But I mean for a one person

1:03:39 project. Fucking no, Yeah, no.

1:03:41 Fucking great game. Yeah, God damn.

1:03:44 Great game. Are we?

1:03:46 Yeah, we're at an hour. OK, Well, hour and 3 minutes.

1:03:48 Yeah, we rambled. Yeah, it became less of a we, I,

1:03:52 we. I didn't really give a them or

1:03:54 me much Rep time. So sorry Batman.

1:04:00 This has been a plug in for Player 4.

1:04:03 Thank you all for listening. And this has been Brandon, this

1:04:08 has been Mark, this has been me. And tell us what your favorite.

1:04:18 You broke. Tell us what your favorite

1:04:23 resource management games are and we'll see you in the next 1.

1:04:27 Brandon. Would you care to press that

1:04:28 button, Brandon?