Make It Make Sense

0:00 Welcome to plug in for Player 4, where you, the viewer, are our Player 4. I'm your host, Ethan, and this is Brandon. Hi, and this is Brandon. Oh wait, I'm Brandon and this is Brandon and this is Brandon and this is Brandon. How many brands? Holy shit, how many? Brands are here. What the Are you kidding me? I've got a Kristy Krab. I've got a Kristy Krab. And this is Mark. Hi. So you got the spirit? Yeah. Well, you had the best for last. I did. I'm just fucking confused now man, you're hurting my.

0:39 Brain, it was the start out. Don't worry about it. Start out you don't. You won't need it. Actually, you might need it for this topic. We'll see. I'm gonna probably gonna need it. I didn't need it anyway. But how are we doing? How are we? How are we? How are we guys doing? Not too bad. Not. Too bad, what have we wouldn't up to? My bitch ass has been playing a fuck ton of Sonic. Racing cross worlds. Oh yeah. True that too dude. I that's a go too. Off topic here, but I. No, please do. Oh, that's how I feel.

1:16 Interesting you have such a great lexicon. He understands the word lexicon. Let's fucking go, I. Went to college. I went to college. Crabs. So playing a good bit of Sonic Racing cross worlds for the hell of it, I went back to Mario Kart 8 just to see like how different you know it would feel. Oh God. I think I'm going to have a problem playing Mario Kart now. Wait, is this from 8:00 to worlds or 8 to cross worlds? 8 to cross worlds like Sonic. Gotcha. I it's hard to explain, but the way the like the new Sonic game feels, it's control.

2:07 Mario karts out, bro. I'm sorry. No, it's Oh my God, it's so fucking fluid. Like I we're gonna when we have the next game night, which is I think gonna be Halloween or something. I think it's harder on that time. Like me and Jack, we're gonna bring our Steam Decks and I mean one of us will hook it up. I honestly think you guys will have a fucking blast. Cause do you guys like going fast? Yeah. 'Cause there is supersonic speeds, there's supersonic speed and the literal description of it says breaking is required.

2:51 And I'm like, man, some bullshit. Like I played it the kind of, yes, it's wow. Like I, that's why I'm like, I really want you guys to fucking play 'cause I know you guys will. I can ride your ass again like I did with. You're not gonna ride my ass. You're gonna run over my ass like I'm gonna be dawn. I'm gonna be flat like it. It's it's stupid fast but the drifting next fucking level dude. Really. You can. What's interesting is to talk about this and then we'll we'll go to Umar. The drifting. How it works is you can actually keep your drift that you built up if you have to.

3:38 Like change your drift 'cause you could change your drift mid drift so you can go left and then go right can. Mario kind of have a thing like that where you just have to press the button again to hop and yeah, but but. Kind of, yes. Out of one singular motion, though. But this is like Ding Ding Ding like dude, just get. I would also say this, just make a handling build for your for your cart just to have some handling for it because that. My God. You still go fast as fuck by the way, but it it feels so smooth so I I think you guys will have fun.

4:25 Actually kind of Speaking of something like that, there's a new game I saw by aggro. Crab. You know the makers of Peek? Yeah. Oh, it's a forklift game and it's called. Crash out crew. What the fuck? It looks awesome, you get to drift around on forklifts and it's like 4 player. I think it's 4 player Co-op look fuck. They learned their lesson from Peek, and they took the best concept out of Halo Reach.

4:54 Yeah, you did a game out of it. That's actually pretty cool, all right. Jesus Christ 2 days ago they I think I think it was posted up but.

5:06 So like, it's out now. No, it's not out now, but oh God, where is it? It's. Denial shipping. Oh my fuck. Denial. Yeah. God damn it. Oh, these clever bastards. And it looks like you have to like avoid all these obstacles while taking all these boxes around corners and bends and trying to get them back on time, all while trying not to crash into each other as well. Chaotic is going to be awesome. That sounds like a fun party. Game, it looks. Yeah. It looks really fun. I'm gonna I'm gonna show you guys in the trailer after this.

5:45 OK, OK. But I just want to. You said crossroads. I'm like oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Yeah, I've.

5:54 Been so addicted to that fucking game. All right, Mark, what about you? I haven't really been playing anything new yet. Emma and I are still just kind of recovering from our trip, so we're just kind of waiting on that. I have been playing a lot of Stellaris lately then I've been. I've been really looking forward to getting into the new updates for Monster Hunter because that what is it. Palantis or something did the the Final Fantasy 14 crossover. Oh yeah. I really wish I could get in the Wilds.

6:29 I loved worlds, I liked Ryze, but I just, I don't know, I think it's maybe just run its course for me. I. Mean that's fair. Fair, I mean I hate it too because I'm like what happened? I loved this series and it sucks. It just that means something that just don't enjoy playing right now. I mean it's, but I'm sure you'll. Revisit it again when the DLC comes, I don't know, or or maybe think about revisiting because it's it's the content in it now is definitely challenging. Oh yeah, it's it's hard as fuck.

7:06 It is so challenging and it it's honestly enjoyable. I remember we had the we were fighting. What was that? The Duna Duna the temp is tempered right. Arc tempered Duna. Dude, let me tell you, you weren't on when we were fighting, that we had to stop playing 'cause we were all getting mad. Dude, there's a there's a picture that floats around someone. It's like, oh, a new Monster Hunter game comes out the gap. This game is easy as fuck or this game is too easy. And then at the bottom it says there's a picture of a monster.

7:36 And then, you know, on the left it says this game is too hard. And the new game comes out. It just repeats over and over. Yeah, that was we finally beat that ooth Duna, but fuck me man when she would roll Oh my. Or not roll, but like roll and then fucking. The back flips, yes. Yeah, that was pretty much an instant kill. You, you Remember Me feeling, I just looked up and I was like the guy with the blue screen just looking up, just. That shit was. Great, Like there's nothing I can do here. I mean like if I think it's like once I once I play it, I'm fine.

8:20 But it's also the fact that you guys are way farther ahead of me that I'm just like, I don't want to bother you guys like you guys are hunting whatever you guys are hunting. If if you want to do something, feel free to ask because I I'm looking for more excuses to actually Start learning more, more about the great sword. So but also at the same, and that's fine. But also at the same time, it's like I just don't have the drive to get on the game once I'm playing. I'm fine for the most part, but like maybe like an hour or two, like 2 hunts, 3 hunts, something like that.

8:49 But like. Other than that, I'm just. You need to drive the players. Yeah, and. That's faster. I personally think right now your focus is on other games and trying to get your achievements going as well. I and I think that's it. Like I have thought about them. I want to like try to get some of the achievements on the world, but they'll just come naturally by playing. But like there's just so many games that I also just want to play and have drive to play that it's just way the fuck back there. I'm sure maybe one day, maybe one day you'll come back to or be like, all right, I now have the drive to play.

9:21 I didn't actually get through this because like I bought three games, actually four games kind of during the, during the sale, the. Autumn sale. Yeah, the autumn sale and then Jack was like, Oh yeah, what about this game? I'm like, oh shit, I forgot buy Abyss and I've been fucking obsessed. Every day I would go to work and I like because we were stuck in that first frog elite for the longest time we could not. Get past him. Fuck our. Shit off he was. Because all the enemies in the first in the first section, like slow as far.

9:58 I mean, it's kind of the, the luring phase. But then you would get to the to the second part. The sanctuary thing is called. No, that's not the sanctuary, but whatever the 2nd place is called. And you can kind of hold your ground against the basic enemies. Some of the some of the bigger enemies are tougher. And then you get to that fucking elite he's zooming across the entire. His pattern is. It's ridiculous. It's. It's not. Hard. It's not hard. It's he's just. Fast Yeah, you have to be watching him at all times, right?

10:34 Because if you have your back turned, he he's but. He also splits the the arena into sections. Yep. So it's not only that, but he also leaps at you and then does an AOE and then leaps at you again just as fast and does another AOE. Like all the while you're trying to dodge in these 4 sections it's. Once you get it down, it's fine. But that, yeah, that shit was irritating. And like I would go to work and I would be like how, how, how? And then I would come home. And that would just fucking. Wall up his ass.

11:06 I think it's stuck in the boss. I'm like, I go to work how, how, how and I come back. Wall up his ass like it was just like, I must retire to think, yeah, it's just like I can't do this, take a break. I can do this. I can't do this. Take a break. I can. It's just a fucking refeed. So there was that one around where we got the meteors and casually just beat the whole. Jesus Christ, man. Yeah, me and Ethan both had. It's like, it's like that one, it's like that one TikTok going around. Change your mentality.

11:37 I. Can't do this. How? How But within within like 3 days of playing it I got almost half the achievements. There's a hundred of these fuckers. I have like 40. 7 I think. Yeah, something like that. Yeah. Yeah, it's it is a good game. It is very good if you're, if you're someone to get into roguelikes, I would highly recommend. It's, it's, it's fun just 'cause there's also what I really like about especially roguelikes is yeah, there's like the randomness aspect, but also a lot of them now are starting to put in exploration aspects.

12:17 Like Roboquest said that where you can find the logs, you can get up there, up the up the past, the thing and just look around for logs. Or in a business, you can look around for these sparks, spark fissures. And like each room, each main room has those. You have to find all of them and you can get a skin, which is really cool. But I think it's about time we get onto the topic, which is make it make sense and would what do you guys like to go first? We'll swap with those first each time. But basically I'm going to I'm going to ask a question of related to video games and you guys are going to make it make sense to me.

12:55 And we're pretty much just going to go until it's, you know, it's been fully explained or that's like the perfect funny answer or what, whatever. I don't know, we'll figure it out. It's just more, it's just more so a a fun thing. So who wants to go? Who wants to be the first to explain? You can go this time 'cause I had to deal with the Would you rather? Yeah, you did start OK. All right, So make it make sense. Mario gets bigger and gets more health with a mushroom instantly.

13:36 I'm curious that's what you're going to. Say thinking. I'm not even sure this episode is going to go. I hope it goes great. Yeah. I think once we get into it, yeah. Yeah. But like, my thought process right now is it gets bigger, but it's instantaneous. So it's not like it's not like steroids because, you know, that's something that takes time, something that kind of has temporary effects. But after a while you just become like a pile of goop and like, I don't want to influence this is this, but like you just want to hear my entire thought process on this.

14:09 I do making it make sense. Are we both going to have the same question? So like I do, I do my thoughts and then Brandon does his or OK, so it's going to go back and forth. So you Brandon, you Brandon, you Brandon, until we find like a funny answer or it's an answer that actually we can like all agree or something. It's. I don't know how this is going to go exactly, but. We're basically going to kind of like debate it. Yeah, pretty much OK all. Right, all right. Got Well, when we were thinking about doing this episode, I'm like, that's easy.

14:42 Just drugs, you know, It's fucking dry. I mean, it is. It's a mushroom. That's where my mind's been going towards stupid like, Nah, Nah, there's got to be better explanation. OK, but let me throw, let me throw a wrench in this, though. He just touches it. He doesn't consume at all in any way, shape or form. Yeah, it's. True. So it's not like it's like poof a cloud of spores. No, there's no poof either. It's just he picks it up. Yeah, he just touches it. So it sounds more like a a kind of three kids in a trench coat.

15:11 So how so? Make it make sense He he just shoves it into his shirt? Nah, man, the. Old padding. It's like shoulder pads. I mean that that would explain how he gets the the more health but not the height. Maybe it's maybe it's Viagra. I don't. Know, yeah. It makes. Bigger that couple extra inches, really. Yeah, man, he goes for being such a small, small and tiny small. Little guy. Italian man to Oh my God. It's a mushroom made of entirely vitamin B4, so.

15:56 My my brain's more going along the lines of maybe he's like a, a, a descendant or ancestor of Popeye. Because. He he has the same. Effect but with the spirit ended up with with cans of spinach. Yeah. So quite literally, it's probably like a family trade. He's just like, Oh yeah, mushroom. And then just instantly huge, ready to take on the day. Just just to throw this out to her about Popeye when I watched it as a kid, I'm like, man, that's fucking awesome. You know, I want to try some of the spinach in a can, but never again.

16:32 It's the most important meal of the day. Try spinach in a can. What's? Wrong. I don't know. I felt a disturbance. God. Damn it that. Is that's great.

16:47 Great spinach I would only ever do fresh. That's I'm. Thinking of a red Spanish. I could be wrong. I'm done to try. I like vegetables and I love to put it in pasta. It is good in pasta. It is so good. It has to be the right kind of pasta though, because we like we like to put it into kind of like our Italian sausage pasta where we have like spicy Italian sausage and we kind of have like a really, really red acidic tomato sauce that we make at home. So like we get cans of sauce, but we also mix it with sun dried tomatoes, a little bit of crushed tomato too, to kind of give it a little bit more chunk.

17:35 And then we put in the the spinach and it Wilts inside of it but gives it much more texture and a little bit of that fresh flavor into it. Really, really freaking good. You should tell me when you make it so I can come over and try it. I mean, we have a bowl of it left, but it's not fresh right now. It's like half a week old, OK? Yeah, you're gonna want that. Yeah, you're gonna want that fresh because that's the best time to have it. But yeah, I know. Spinach and pasta? Fucking delicious. Letting my, yeah, a little bit of Italian part of my family out there.

18:15 Yeah, I mean I. Mean so far we have drugs, we have Popeye situation, we have vitamin B4, he just shoves into his clothes, we have shoulder pants. Shoulder. Pants man, we're doing great. Yeah, we're on a roll today. Well. It's just, it's, I don't want to say it's hard to describe that. Yeah. Like it's just, it's, it is. Let's just. Come out with all the full on tinfoil head ideas. Let's go. Literally you just touch, you poke it and you you grow with twice your height and you you get twice your health.

18:53 So it's like I, I I guess thinking of like some like different animations over the years of Mario and fucking like mushrooms some of these have where he actually eats it. Experience in a game for XD is it? So not the game specifically. But like other media, are we talking like Mario movie and that kind of stuff? Kind of yes, 'cause that's I wouldn't. Even think about that. That's really like what I think he has to be consuming it in some sort of way. There's no way it just poof as soon as he touches it and it and it has the effect.

19:35 That just doesn't make sense. Yeah, like just in the game, he's like boop. Boop. Like when he catches it if if you if you want to take this to this other extreme, well, how does it explain the fire mushrooms where all of a sudden now he's wearing white clothes and you can throw fireballs? Yeah, Really. I was thinking about that because you said you said something to Mark and I was thinking, oh, yeah, Popeyes. So I'm like, no, that's more of the star power where it just becomes invincible and a God like, yeah.

20:02 It it's everything in the Mario University. It's weird. Yeah. I don't I the developers were supposed to. Something when they were making this shit. But. It was the 70s. It was a different time, yeah. But no, my kind of conclusion is like it's he has to be consuming it at some point. I mean if you want to look at it as a game mechanic, the Sprint does disappear. Yes it does. It's. So it's consumed in some form. I mean, I'd be inclined to believe that like he, he just consumes it in some way, shape or form.

20:34 But it's just funny, like just on screen, it's just don't, don't, don't. But like, but behind the scenes he's just like, OK, I'm good. You're like a fucking true ass.

20:48 I just a. Single chunk of bite. I would love to see like, just an animation of Mario, like trying this for the first time. You know, I'm not man, this fuck, this tastes like shit. And then and then he starts growing. I mean, what the fuck? I feel like that was the Mario movie though. I didn't even consider. They never even did that in the movie, did they? They did. No, they. Did the they? Did the big mushroom Because he was. Doing that parkour section, yeah, he they did OK. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure.

21:15 I can't spin songs, but maybe the reaction. You know what, I I would check that answer. I would. We we've figured. It out he. Consumes it in some sort of way. But then what about what about the? What about the -1 life mushrooms? How? Oh well, you know, it's poisonous mushrooms. It's just that's not on my. List it's. It's poison. What happens when you eat poison? Yeah, Your. Your. Thoughts are boundless unless they're tied to the bounds of my list. No, but I mean to be fair. We kind of didn't answer.

21:46 That was just eating it. Yeah, he literally that's. What he is, it's a. Kind of painting. I'm still going along the lines of the Popeye. And that, that, that's a good one too. Yeah, Yeah, this. Is perfect. Arc. Perfect arc just mushroom and my cream of mushroom that he smashes his hands and it's. Like and it after it gets like, why is it so big in his throat, man? The shit's like it's squishes. Like what the? Fuck. What is this? All right, what's our next? Let's go into the number. 2 so I will say a lot of the starting ones are more like specific.

22:28 I think I might have said that I can't remember yes you did yeah but then they get more general but a #2 debate or make it make sense. Why does Sonic collect rings? What's the point? What's the goal? Maybe he's. Homeless. And he's like, oh, money, no. No, no. But then you have to look at this end to model and to oh Jesus Christ, entomologically. Big words. Easy, easy. He's a hedgehog, which is the type of rodent, isn't it? Yes. Yeah, Yeah. Well, what do hamsters and other rodents like? They like tunnels.

23:07 They like tunnels. They do, yeah. They do. It's microwave. Hold on, hold on. Don't get away from me. Just follow along. Let let me guide you along this this journey, this, this thought process. OK. I'm closing my eyes. OK. Yeah. close your eyes. Imagine the shape of a ring. Mm. Hmm. Now then you take another ring. Yeah. You put it next to each other with by the open faces. OK. And you do it again and again and again and again, right? What? Shape are you? Making. You're making a tube. A straw? You're making a tube.

23:46 Hey. Hey. What do we want? You. Let's go back to our. Yeah, to our effect. I see the vision now. You see the vision. I see the vision. What's the big tubes? I. Tubes that crawl through. And like the. Plastic, the plastic tubes that they crawl through and yeah, I see it. That's. I see. It I can see shit, Mark's right. That's actually really. Good. OK, got all. Right, we're done. It made sense. It made sense. He is a Sonic. He is a rodent. I went to college. For a reason. I was taught to think the big thoughts.

24:20 OK, all right. My brain is wrinkled for a reason, motherfucker.

24:27 And it's not from. Crippling autism. Fucking damn. It I'm sorry I. Don't mean to meta this but I just imagined my parents listen.

24:38 God, I feel so bad. Oh no, my brain. Is wrinkled for a reason and it's not because autism. Porp is hearing it out to the heavens. Oh my God. I'm. Sorry I had to throw but it makes. Sense. Make it. Makes sense. There we go. You made that make sense. Makes. Sense yes, you did look at me breaking it down to the components of the pro. All right #3 there is one wrong answer I will not accept for this, but how does? Samus fit. Into a ball form with all that armor. You just big. Armor and then just crunched up into a ball.

25:26 Make it make sound. How does how does it happen? It's your turn, Brandon. No, it's your turn. Yeah, it's your turn. You started. You took mine, basically. Oh. Shit, I'm just saying whoever started, I mean, it doesn't. Matter, but. We're. Changing who starts it. Yeah, yeah, it's your. Turn to go. I've got an idea, but I wanted to get you. No. Your turn to start, Mark. Fuck. Yeah. Because you did the first one. Brandon started the second one. Now we're on three. Put you on the planet. Yeah. Put you.

25:57 On the planet.

26:01 Let me let me throw this out, OK? It's. It's got to be some type of like shrinking technology like. Is that the wrong? Answer. It's probably the wrong answer. It's. Close. I'm not going. To say it's wrong. Oh, OK. Like there's like. I don't want to call it shrinking because technically she doesn't change like how big she is. It's. I don't know how to explain that

26:34 I'm. I'm going to start off with my first thought, all right. And it's just the fact that she's a contortionist. She can. Fold her body. Up in really weird ways. Probably double jointed or something like that. OK, double join, special hire, you know, double join. OK. I mean, just put it like, does the suit help her do that? Probably. I mean well. I mean. It. Probably holds. Her in place where her muscles don't have to do all the work. This is like alien technology we're talking about. That's. Yeah.

27:08 That's why I'm or or is this part of the? Space pirate 'cause she's a space pirate, right? She is not a. Space Pirate. She's fighting a space. Space fights. Peace pirate. Ridley, I think, right. Is that Ridley? Yeah, Ridley the. Giant the pterodactyl thing. Yeah, Purple Bernie. She. She's more like a A. Space Ranger in the fact of not like space Ranger as in Buzz Lightyear, but more like space Ranger as in, oh, you took like a a Ranger from one of our national parks and just put them into a space suit.

27:42 She's badass, yeah. She is give her a lot of credit. But not many people could fight aliens and win the big. And like the. The thing is, like you said, alien technology, you know, technology way in the future. That's where it's like, I think, but like what? About the alien talk about make it make sense. Make it I'm a. Human. I'm not an alien, I mean. You it is it's. Your job to fill. In the blanks that the writers have left, that's what he strikes. They should get. They should. Do their better job.

28:14 I want to. I want to go back to the old art of folding origami. All right, Well, that. Is not working here, man. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, man. Origami. No. I want to hear this. Out let him cook. I want all. Right, go for it. Buddy, look, have you? Seen all the amazing forms that people can make out of paper yes I. Have seen. On YouTube from Veritasium, a guy made a cactus out of a single sheet of construction paper. She this is going to go more towards along, like an evolution of the contortionist idea, but it's not her body doing it, it's the suit.

29:00 The suit is folding in on itself and she just happens to be along for the ride. But also Samus. Is not a piece of paper. Oh, origami doesn't make sense. Well, yeah, but it's a. It's a. It's a 2 I mean. If you look at the human form, generally, it's very relatively flat along one plane. OK, I will say this though, it's. Really. In time. Hold on, hold on. I just need to get through this or I'm going to forget so in a. Sense that? One or 2D to 3D. This is kind of in a sense of 3D to 4D situation. We're folding up a human, right?

29:44 I feel like that can get a three-dimensional object into four dimensional space. Maybe that's it. You, Sir. Become Tesseract. OK, I kind of like. This origami train of thought, though, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's starting to make a little more sense. You can see it like like. You said it's, it's really the the suit and that's doing this for her. Yeah, it's, it's not. Her like a latent ability because I don't I don't see one of us, Brandon or me or Rotunda asses just transform. Ball.

30:25 I'm going to. Transform into a car. Now Carby. Carby. Fuck. Honestly. I'm willing to accept the origami answer. Yeah, yeah. So I'll give you I'll. Give you that that was I I guess if we're. Wrapping up that thought, what was the wrong? I was gonna say pocket dimensions. Oh, OK, that's fucking stupid, That's lazy. And I don't think I would have said. That that doesn't, I was not thinking along. The line of that 'cause I like make it make sense. It's like, OK, I'm gonna make it make sense. Some people will be like, put pocket dimensions.

31:00 D makes you because you put other LS in. Like that's just too complicated. Because Pokémon. OK, No, we don't. Just because they get. PED and everything doesn't mean that it's everything's Pokémon Christ but just. Pocket dimension doesn't. Explain anything, How does it work? We don't even. We're not. I don't think we're even close to pocket dimensions. I'm sorry, I don't think even a black hole is a pocket dimension. That is just nothing. Look, the only pocket dimension I'm aware of is the big ass buckets they put in my in my shorts.

31:30 I could fit a hole of Ohio in there. I can fit. A Kindle flyer. Wear into my Jean pockets. I'm. Not joking. Either Ethan's seen it, I have and I can basically, I can, I can basically fit my Switch in my jacket pocket. Yeah, in the grey jacket that I have, it's the only pocket dimensions that I'm sure exist. It's it's probably unless if you're wearing women's clothing and I would say it's about 8-5 apparently. Let's see the pocket dimensions. About 8 by like 16 or something anyway. For you Brandon, how does glory kills give ammo if regular kills don't?

32:11 Think it makes sense? Because they don't make sense. Where? Where does it come? From. Clearly they have different. Weapons. Maybe it's. Maybe it's the bullets. You shot into them that are still there and when you actually do a glory kill you get them back.

32:32 Maybe, maybe maybe, maybe it's I can. It's a little. Funky it is. There's definitely some unexplained there. Yes because you can get more bullets back than you shot. Plus yes or health slash armor depending on the game. Depending on yes. It's me.

32:53 So so. This is through this, we're talking about Doom, right? Yeah, yeah. Just making sure because I'm not sure what other games use the glory kill mechanic for that, but I I know Doom Eternal certainly does. I think it's kind of like ATM kind of deal. Yeah, Yeah. Well, maybe maybe we need to think about this more abstractly. Maybe it's not the fact that you're just getting ammo from it, but you're getting organic material that is processed by the suit into your ammunition, so. Like you. Know you're getting blood and guts and gore all over you and you're that's that's a lot of iron out of that blood so yeah, you're it's.

33:38 Like you're true, your suits can be converting all of this into the ammo you need or or. Into the health you need by just subjecting. You with. Pure or the armor? That you might get too. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like your suit is I can at. Least get behind the. Armor because I have heard of like, you know, in some like fiction where armor can or just certain things can consume liquid and then change them into other things like using processing it like you said, yes, I can at least. Get behind the. Armor and you know, kind of the it's good idea that I'm not sure if there'd be, I'm not sure if there'd be enough iron and or metals to make bullets functional bullets.

34:18 I mean, if you're getting down to the bones, you can get calcium and tons of carbon for that. So fair enough. What about you got? Any other ideas that or even change about that Brandon Yeah, I I really. Like that, I feel, I feel like Mark, you're gonna fucking. Dominate this Oh yeah Oh yeah, I'm. Like on. Fire today. This was fine. No, that's fine. I was on fire last time cooking up a firestorm. I've got the four course meals laid out before. I was on fire when we were. Doing the would you rather so it was your turn you.

34:53 Were pretty on fire. Yeah, it's just Brandon. If I may suggest, we can go either with the armor the boring way or we can go the much more thematic way. And what is that? Well, I'm just thinking. You know, we're all Americans here. And if you add an eagle sound effect in the show, the showmanship, then just yeah, plot. Armor. Happens. OK, I'm sorry, but I can't, not in this game or whatever we're doing. Plot armor not. In this discussion. We you're not.

35:35 'Cause that's the same thing. As what did I say, Pocket dimensions? That's just plot armor in a different sense. I mean, yeah, yeah, literally. But the suit? Doing all of that just seems like it would make sense because also I mean it is you don't like the. Idea of calling. Down the forces of the military industrial complex to let you with ammunition and stim packs in the heat of battle, but also like as a. True patriot. But like this is more getting. Along the lines of. Super Earth, but I see you've requested a resupply pod.

36:14 We have taken the Nitro. No, but it also screaming in from orbit. To crush your to fellow teammate who's not paying attention but doom but the Doomslayer. Also, if I can, I'll. Throw this out. Here, God bless democracy. God damn it. If I can throw this out here too with the Doomslayer, he is basically a God, so he could. Do whatever the fuck. He wants yeah, like. He's he's. He's more of a. Destructive. No. God. I wouldn't say not a. Creative. I mean, no, he's a destructive. Guy he. He killed the Creator.

36:58 Of the multiverse and he's like oh hey, you have any flight old words to say to your creator No. Shotgun. Bless him in the head. No, no. But I, I. Really. Like Mark's take on the suit? Yeah, yeah, it is. Because I can. See it cause the. Suit is also something that is this this only really. Works with the parader suit, but yeah 'cause that is like. The Doom suit. Right, like at least for the new for the. 2016. And onwards yes and that's kind of what I was thinking anyway. So if you want to go into the classical doom dooms, well the ammo's everywhere.

37:38 I was going to say they. Don't have glory? Kills, picking it up off the ground from this. Yeah, yeah. They don't have glory. Kills in that yeah, no. But if if. You really want to. Go into like Doom 2016 and onwards. That's that's kind of like where I'm leaning at with making it make sense. It's like, oh, you're not actually picking up ammo, you're just getting the raw materials to literally forge it on your suit in an instant. OK, I understand. Yeah, I think that's probably about as good as you're.

38:06 Going to. Yeah, I think so too. Probably the greater temperature is so yeah, it's so it's either. That or some. Sort. Of fucking demonic force, which I mean. Also I mean. I mean. It's the universe, but it it it just doesn't make sense that if it's a demonic force that's way more understandable than pocket dimensions because like that can go anywhere pocket but like demonic force that fits just the dew universe so well. There's so much demonic energy flying around, urgent energy and demonic force works in it.

38:41 So it's like there's only so much you can go off that line, But like nanite machines and this suit actually manufacturers it. That sounds a bit more plausible to be. But anyways, let's move on to the next one. All right #5 Mark, you start. Why are we giving scrap to a concrete block and lethal company? Well. He, he let. Let me correct you, we're not giving. You to a concrete block. I know. That's just how I worded it. Yeah, I want it to be funny. I mean, there's a huge. Ass fucking tentacle monster on the other side.

39:15 God damn it. I have. I actually have. An answer for this. I know you want to go ahead and go. First, there's an actual war. There is a lower answer to this. There is a lower answer. I know there is a lower answer so. Yeah, you're. You're basically. Like this, they they there's a name. For. This for the the the pentacle guy? I don't know if it's jab or something. I forgot you're. Basically. You're feeding this thing all all of this. Crap, it's. An undesired like, not undesirable. It can. Never ever be full insatiable.

39:56 Insatiable. That's the one before. And it it you don't really lore wise you. Don't really know about this. Thing, you know what's actually behind the company wall? Yeah, whatever. But yeah, like, why are we feeding this thing? What's the point? Like why? If you want a very short answer, so you. Don't die. But you don't want that answer. That answer is not good enough for this. That's good enough so. It's. Really, I the the lore answer is about as good as I can go with it. Yeah, I understand that, but I was.

40:36 Also kind of seeing like, hey, like maybe they don't know the lore, but well, maybe there's a little twist. On it, why are they giving? US credits to spend on actual other equipment instead of that equipment just going to feed the the the creature itself. Yeah, because why are we having? The company is. Holding on to other. Resources that could go into just feeding it. Why like like? The truck and. That's what I'm kind. Of saying like why are we doing this? Like why are we feeding? Why are we feeding a concrete block and not?

41:07 Useful. Equipment or you know if we have all these company trucks flying around why or I'm not sure if there's a reason if there's one or multiple but you know why not yeah not company trucks why not keeping company trucks that's literally what I just said the ship like especially. The bigger objects. Too literally. Yeah. Like I said, the ship. That's actually what I was thinking at first. We had the jet picks, right? It's like. All the stuff. That's useful we're holding on to, but we're literally giving it like trash can lids, perfume bottles, fucking axle axles.

41:46 Giant. Axles, engines, jars of Pickles, plushies, plushies. I think that's a mod though. It's like, are we? That's a mod, boy. It's like, are we trying to keep this? Thing from breaking out. Why? Why are we? Why are we giving up? Jars of Pickles, and that's something that's useful for us to survive too. Do our suits. Give us. Nutrients and whatnot, you know, I just think, I mean, just. Wearing standard. Has bad suits just like we go for days on end. Yes, there's got to be. Some kind? Of like nutrition system going on in your suit for you to be.

42:25 Able to. Go that many days without eating 'cause you can Go you can. Well, more. More so drinking water. Yeah, like. You can't go. I I guess you could go like 3 days without water, but it's dangerous there. What if? What if we're just being? Led on by oh it's a creature. What if this is like just some sort of giant supply side Ponzi scheme? Collaborate so. Quite literally, we're like, oh, OK, if our job is so, so important, why are we so, so expendable? So let's just think tinfoil hat nothing. The creature doesn't actually exist.

43:15 It's like 2 guys working like giant sticks with like Spears on it, just dragging people into the complex. What if we're literally just giving like recycling material to people on the other side and they're just making tons and tons and tons of money off of this? But in the if that's the case, why would the code increase? And why would they, you know, get rid of us if we don't make them? Because we're still giving them things. Yeah, we're still giving them things. But, you know, we, we annoy them and piss them off when we ring the bell too much.

43:46 And they're like, all right, They're just already pissed off. They'll, they'll just get rid of us because we're so desperate for the money that we're just that expendable. There's another Joe Schmo that could replace us in an instant. And why are there enemies and stuff on the? Planets. Well, I think that's just hostile. Yeah, environments on the planets, but they're not like some sort of old war or something. It's really like a coil head. Man, what the fuck the fuck is this? Well, in the, in the lore, in the.

44:17 Logs and stuff. There's like references to some old war that went on, and a lot of these are just like old military machines, Yeah. Should that be kind of scary? Man like. Or even just like mutations of of. Different things, yeah, coil head is definitely one. That's very weird, yeah. But to go. Back on topic, SO.

44:43 It's got it. It's it's hard to. Like pinpoint, Like why? Like what the hell is the reason of all of this? Like there's me. Thinking it's, you know. Stop this thing from I'm going haywire, breaking out of the company. But it's like, but you're also like Mark said, you're expendable. You can be replaced in an instant if we're if we're. It's so. Important. For us to be feeding this thing, why are we so expendable? Yeah. And it's like, honestly, I personally, this one's not going to have a satisfying answer no matter where you.

45:22 I don't think so either. But it was still fun to put on it. Yeah. Yeah. The only satisfying answer you'll. Probably get is when Zeker says what it is. Yeah, there's still is that. Giant drill at the bottom. Yeah, someone's trying to get in there. There's definitely something that's going to be something that. Probably us players were going to get inside the building. I have a feeling they're. You know, just like actual, just real life. Like there might be a chance that we never see it just because Zeker's moved on or or his Seekers doesn't know what to do.

45:59 It's. He's been very active. With this on his Patreon I believe and he has talked. About. Like what he kind of wants from this, but he's not giving anything away. Yeah. Yeah. Why would you? There's the. Mystery, The mystery. He's still as far as. We know he's he is still trying to figure it out, but he said. Yeah. Which but he did say it's going to be good. Hell yeah. So. But that is probably about. The. Fellows, you have to take care of the armor and core. No, all of a. Sudden No. We go, we go.

46:37 Into the company building and all of a sudden it becomes a fucking. You're a good view of Molly. No, we. We. Go change. Genres. I would find it funny if. Yeah, we. Literally go inside the. Company building and it becomes a different game. Yeah, I mean first person shooter. Or say Shara Dottie. Yeah, really sorry. You you you like sleep yourself triggered me with the other encore. I mean, I'm I'm kind of satisfied with the word this discussion has been. It's more so a theory than anything then I actually.

47:11 But you know, I mean, there was obviously the lower reason, but theory, right? Probably can't say that It's probably trademarked actually. SO12245 All right, so you, Mr. Brandon, how is this? Number six. Yeah, number. 6 How does Mr. Rossetti know well before that? Hey, did you? Hear that? Yeah, I was gonna what? The fuck is that? Don't, don't move.

47:42 I think it's gone there. I think it's. Gone. I don't know. I can't. I can't tell the lights. I think that's God. That was. Fucking weird that was. Weird. OK. Anyways. Back to explaining things that are. Unexplainable. We're just going to ignore that? And Brandon, how does Mr. Rossetti know?

48:04 How does he know? Yes. How does he know how? Does he know when? You don't save. Well, he he just. Knows if you skip time. I think he's got some. He he is a what is he like a mole or something? Yeah, he's a mole. He's. Definitely got some type. Of fucking surveillance system underneath the fucking village watching everybody. I know he does. That son of a bitch is watching. The guy wears a wire, that's why. He's a mole. Yeah. Oh my. God, you're right. You're right. He's a. Ball, yeah. Not in the. God damn.

48:43 Floor like I swear. To go wire. Get. Him, I swear to God. He has. Damn it, Rossetti, why did you? Sell out to the to the to the feds, Yeah. When you don't. When you don't say. Sold out on Tony Baloney. Did Tom Nook when you don't when you don't fucking? Say a fucking alarm system goes off in his cave and shit and he's like ah fuck woo. Woo woo. So he's got to fucking come up and scold. Your ass for being stupid and not saving, you know? Yeah. No, he's watching. He got cameras everywhere. He's watching Nook too, you know.

49:21 You know. He could take out. Nook if he wanted to to that investigation. To figure out where all of his bells come from, all Rosetti has to do to get. Rid of Nook is fucking collapse his God damn fucking building underneath he's. Just gonna tear. Away at his business foundations, yeah, they'll go right down and that's it or. The Raccoon. I love how we're instead of debating. How he knows we're just turning this into like epic rap battles of history. Well, but like. If like I, I really think he has a fucking surveillance system like he, he's probably.

50:00 A Fed he probably honestly he. Probably is. Look, he's a mole. He knows. Things when they happen. Yeah. How fuck do you do that? No, just he's probably on the island investigating Tom Nook for tax fraud. He probably is. Fucking taxi. Fucking raccoon. There's always been something wrong about that son of a bitch. He's always looking at him. Son, I'm watching your ass. Well, technically he's not a raccoon. He's a Tadu. Still, he's an. Asshole. So. So he's a. Mole in the quite most literal sense, and also in the figurative sense.

50:38 Yes, Mark, we're gonna go back to you and now we're gonna go to the general questions. OK, so we're out of specifics. We're into general. Why make this make sense? Why don't you get crippled at low health? You can still. You're at 1% health. You can still move as fluid as the J you were born. OK, I'm gonna I'm gonna halt your idea there. It depends on the game and if it has a mechanic for it. Yep, it does the most games. Where you get. Heavily penalized for having a little health quote UN quote.

51:11 Resident Evil 2. Most games don't though. Or Rim World, if your character gets so low health they're all actually slow to a crawl. What it's like a life or death situation and they're bleeding out. But this is a general thing. This. Is a general so these games. Don't count. In that those mechanics don't count in this right? I don't know, built different or something.

51:38 I mean, maybe. Maybe they're the face. Of. God. Out of spite military. Training of some kind. I don't know, grit like they're, they're pain tolerance like you know, can't be there. They still, they still cry. Out in pain most of the time, Yeah, true, yes, but they're still able. To move around perfectly fine so they've got to have some kind yeah, but then as soon as they. Get hit again, they're just like, oh, they'll drop dead like. Just. Did the most nonchalant manner just fall to the ground, rag dolling, screaming?

52:17 What I what not? Like, I mean, maybe it's like. Maybe it's like moving adrenaline, or like sheer fucking willpower. Something adrenaline wears off that wears off that. Yeah, true. You're right.

52:36 Not long enough to go hours. In like Ocarina of Time where you have the alarm blaring in your ears. God, that shit fucking employs me. So much I would've known I never played it. I, I, I played it in the demo to the point where I got to that point, I was like, oh God, this is awful. Yeah, it's literally just done. Done. Done, Done, done, done, done. Yeah, that'll drive you nuts after all. No, I think. That was like. That in the. Pokémon Diamond and Pearl. Oh yeah, it was, yes. And the music would.

53:11 Cut away and it was just. That I was like, just play the fucking music. Yeah, Gen. 5 was where it's integrated. I love platinum, but that's the worst thing I hate. I know. But can't see that this is it really. Is like. Just sheer willpower wanting to the adoptable human. Spirit, honestly. Yeah, yeah. Like that that. Honestly makes a lot. Of sense, but I love it. I agree. With it, yeah, like that's quite. Literally just the adoptable. Human spirit, the body gave out before the before the spirit did, Yeah.

54:02 Yeah, that, that's literally. What I could think of No, I, I believe I, I, it made sense. I it made me. It made whatever I it made sense to me. It made we. Made it make sense.

54:18 A Brandon. Where the fuck do? Shopkeepers. Wealth come from you can sell them your. Entire. Fucking inventory and then some. And they're like, here you go, here's $40 billion. Tax fraud, Tax fraud, you know, you there is some shady shit. I mean it all. Due fairness, it's there's no sales tax on any of this. It's just all under the table really. It makes me also think like like. Any shopkeeper like the one I always think about is the the fucking merchant from Resinville 4. Where the fuck does he get all this money to buy all my shit And also where are?

55:03 You getting the money? To buy all this, like all the guns he has for sale. What are you buying? Where are you selling? Yeah, where are you getting this? Like that's my question this. Is where does he get all this money from and also how the hell are you getting to? Every single fucking area I'm at like what the fuck man? Like you, goddamn. Creeper how the fuck you like? And then there's one like what the? Fuck, why are you in this cave? I come down here and all of a sudden I got something that might interest you.

55:36 Like where did you come from? I love where this. Is going, but this is. Not part of the question, no. It's not part of the question, no. There is some type of shady the. Infamous. Chair. The infamous chair. Fuck me. There's some. Type of shady. Business practices come happening here because they have. This much money. But every one of them. Look, black market. Something hey, I mean that's a cop on this. Let's break the 1st wall, OK? All all these video games are just you playing an experience and whatever, whatever.

56:18 You do. Experiences like this in real life, there's always like a back rooms where the employees can just go around to move around without, without breaking the immersion. So you go off into the next area, they go off into the secret door behind them. They just go down the elevator like 2 flights, walk across everything that you got to go through and come back up. They come back out the other secret door. They're like, hey, what's up a long time. No see, you took the hard way, didn't you? Or it's like Pokémon with like the the 17 different Nurse Joys and 17 different Nurse Joys, the Officer Jenny and.

57:00 Brock had issues. Getting one of them, man, there's a problem there. God damn it. Yeah, or it was a. Family man too, he had. He had a lot of good quality treats. He took care of so many brothers and sisters who were young age or or the other. Thing is, I just. Love the idea of like they like just the first, the first giant family tree. No, no, no, the first time you they see you or you see them, whatever, whichever, like they're like OK, bye. And then there's like a tracker on you like your back or something that you can't see yes.

57:35 So there are no which has some. Legal implications, but. Yeah, they're like, oh God, he's going to the atrium. Here's. The nice worm. Handshake slips it into your wrist I mean, but at that point. Like yeah, there's some legal implications there, but if he's doing, if they're doing shady shit, who gives a fuck? They don't care. Oh God, he's going to the atrium. Wait, no, he's going back. Wait, he's going up that elevator? What the fuck? There is an elevator. You're on Olympic. Sprinters ungodly amounts of endurance like they get to the chapter like hey, how you?

58:08 Doing. Wait, quick spur to the inhaler. Dripping shell wave. The characters just you are all. Inhalers. Yeah, right before you come up

58:19 and as soon. As you leave. Don't mind the water. Droplets. I just took a shower. Yeah. And then as soon as that. The character leaves, they just fucking collapse. Like, you know, save, quit. It's like, oh, thank. God, this asshole's. Gone. It's like a wreck. It rope it'll. Come out of the. Woodworks. They're just making fun of you. This guy has literally no idea where the fuck he's going. He's like, silent. Hill. Too, And he's just lost the fog. Honestly, I like all. These hands, it just makes sense.

58:57 It does. It just you're making. Makes sense fucking. I mean, towards the end we were just talking about how they get from place to place, but it's funny as shit it. Is it makes? You think I mean I will, I will accept like black market connections or just like fucking illegal shit. Yeah, let's one of 15 identical twins.

59:20 Christ here what? Do. We got. So we're on. Oh, so 9 Mark. You, me. Yeah, you make it make sense. The ideal male body in this peak performance. But we can't Sprint for more than 12 seconds. All right, I actually have real world reasons for this. So have one of the one of the biggest things that I can think of is there is a video I watched of a bodybuilder meeting up with a climber and they were told, OK, so you need to. Do this. Grip test So you have. The. Bodybuilder that is really huge. He's like.

1:00:21 Fucking the rock. Size. Yeah, he's like fucking massive biceps bulging. Everything about him is honestly chiseled. He looks more like an actual gorilla than a man. Yes. And then you have this scrawny, very, very slim, bold rock climber, like free boulder climber and so. They. Give the the squeeze the the the hand grip test to the bodybuilder and you see his his body just flexes as he tries his best to actually grip this and pull it really tight. And they give it off to the rock climber and he's just pulling it back.

1:01:08 And forth with ease. With one hand. So when? You exercise your body, you're actually doing different things to your body and your body adapts to it. When you look at like Olympic Olympian athletes, a lot of times their bodies are more perfected towards the very specific thing that they're trying to do. Swimmers, when you're doing very fast-paced stuff, they're fucking triangles. Yeah, they're they're shaped like triangles. They're very slim. They're very, very smooth looking because their body has adjusted to be as efficient to moving through the water as possible if you're doing like heavy.

1:01:55 Weights. And stuff your body's far more conditioned to handle free weights and tons of stress and weights. But you can't. Bend you can't do. Things that. Gymnasts can do if you're a bodybuilder, you're you're training your body to do different things. So if you're in the idea of the the peak male physique, where you're chiseled ABS, large muscles and biceps, your body is much more accustomed to doing weights and pushing and doing work, but not so much going distance and pacing yourself. When you look at runners, a lot of the times they're so lean because that's the most efficient way for their bodies to be trained for distance running.

1:02:50 Yes. Pure strength against endurance, yeah. Strength is not the only. Part of the equation in terms of being fits, if you want to be much more well-rounded, then your body's going to look a lot different than the all these other people 'cause when you're when you're trained to be as efficient as possible and one thing, your body's going to adjust for that one thing specifically. But if you're going to be doing like multiple different things, your body's going to be much more generalized. Think of like your body as being a Jack of all trades, essentially.

1:03:30 I mean, right. But like more often than not in these games, like you're not like, you know, you're not ripped, but you're at least fit. Yeah, you can. You can only go 12 seconds. For free. Like a lot. Of these times. These are also normal people too, who probably don't push themselves. It's hard to be in peak fitness. OK, fair enough. So like, you can have somebody that's in an office job or they're just sitting at a desk all day. They're like really thin looking, but that's just because that's how their metabolism works.

1:04:01 They're not exactly in peak fitness. They can't go a mile without their body being like, aw, this is fucking awful. And it's. Just. There's so much that goes into it physically. Here's a good example. Fucking well, I don't know if I could say a good example, but an example nonetheless. Phansbophobia. Yeah, you can only run for about probably 2 to 3 feet. I was gonna say 2 to 3 seconds and. Then your character oh. God, it's like. My guy, you just went. From the living room to the bedroom, you've what that's.

1:04:35 What happens when? My character spends a lifetime. Watching nothing but yeah, Tales of the Unknown, yeah, Parry getting into the real. World and be like. Oh hey, I could go find ghosts. It really fucking Hey. You want to want to rewatch X-Files? Like it? Really. Sucks Ghost. Adventures. It's like. You would like? In a real without the wife trying to kill you. In a real scenario, if. You're like, like getting chased by a ghost. Yeah, in Phasmo, in real life, if that were to happen to you, your adrenaline would be so fucking high.

1:05:05 You'd be running a lot faster and not really tiring out. Oh, the ghost locked the door. Cool. I'm kicking it in. Yeah. Really. Yeah. But no your character. Here's the ghost. Yeah. I have the. Endurance of an 87 year old man with my 20 year old body. Shit, even the. 87 year. Olds can run faster than these motherfuckers. Like, it's it, it it's dumb. Yeah, yeah, now it is. Some some games are just like it's the British physique, like you might as well have it. All right, when everything. 'S urbanized.

1:05:40 You don't. Really have to do much long distance all right. Well, I think. That answers that we're. Going to do one more though. OK, we're skipping straight to the. Bottom. Brandon, why do I break? So many. Games. I'm going. To swipe this from you because. You're an elder torer. OK, listen, I'm a big. Numbers you. Literally are beyond comprehension to the human mind. I'm a ginger. They're comprehensible. Where's your soul? Raise your soul. You, Ginger. Fuck you got.

1:06:19 God damn. Holy. Shit, I think what you said. You're not stupid. Yes, I am at the fucking hell yeah. Yeah. We can't say that, but yeah, Ethan, why were you not? Blessed by God in all this light, I'm. I'm. I'm I'm. Still on the ginger fuck. Like what the ginger? Fuck you ginger. Fuck. God damn am I going to have to put? Fucking Reverb on the fuck.

1:06:52 But you, you guy, you test games too. It's absolute fucking limits. You look at every single little fucking thing like I am. I would change that, that that that that that that that and fucking game done. Firstly, I. In all honesty, I think it's just the way that you think, yes, you're able to kind of realistically, yes, in some, in some way you're able to put together different combinations of different numbers and it just works out like. Yeah, I. Personally for me, I'm very analytical when it comes to my thinking, but I keep things kinda into discrete boxes.

1:07:41 Whereas you're just like, Oh yeah, I, I see that it does this and I'm able to quickly figure out a lot of the different interplays that are at hand. I mean, you're not wrong 'cause I got like scan like 6 different things. Oh yeah, pick between these 6 upgrades or like pick three or something like that. I'm like, well this could go. With this but that. That does not go with this. Oh, I got it. The fucking just the, the this. It's like you handle an entire spreadsheet inventory of what you personally have and you could just pick it out and you're just like, Oh yeah, I this goes with the with this, this and this.

1:08:23 And I can just keep building up different interplay options the best possible and it's like. When I play. Protano, I get a little bit overwhelmed by just OK, what the fuck do I have? Because there's just so much. Yeah, that's how I and it's. Like you take what you. Can get well, here's something you you still maintain an accurate list of what you have. You also play entrepreneur and just be like I don't have to worry about any I think because I have everything if I want to live a moment of my life to feel like I actually have resources by God, I'm going to take advantage.

1:09:01 No, that's fair. But wait, So what was the last thing you said before the Rotato 00 that I can keep track of? Like everything I like? Literally you like a fucking usage I have. An ability to. Keep an accurate inventory list in your mind of what you have and what it does. I mean, you're not wrong 'cause like I'll, I'll be like a skill tree and there's like, Oh well, if I get this ability then like I could put out a turret, but then I get another ability where when I put out a turret, I get, you know, a, a buffed mag.

1:09:36 And then when I get a headshot, I return the bullet to my mag, but then I get a second mag. So if I run out of the first one, I'm still good And and it's like I'm very complex when I'm doing stuff, but that's after I'm giving it lots of thought and I can see it methodically. I take a lot of time to build up this knowledge. Whereas you've been trained with so many indie game rogue like games that you've played is that it's become a second nature way of thinking for you. I'm not wrong. Like literally I will like OK, so here's the two choices.

1:10:12 That one, That one. Instantly I'm just like, that's so good. Like and then and like me, I I look at. These choices and I'm like, I gotta take a bit to. Think. Yeah, I'm like. And then I see the skill the like the skill tree. Fuck Oh my God. Anxiety per like with a. With a business, I'll, I'll wrap this up here in a bit, but like with the business, for example, if I go fire, it's like, would you rather have 5% more damage on fire tick each time the flare activates or would you rather have 10% more, it might be 5 or 10, but 10% more fire tick each time the tick happens.

1:10:54 It's like, well, then they kind of got to balance it out. But more often than not, it's just like, that's the pick right there. Yeah, yeah. See it? Takes me a minute to like fucking figure it out. Like I can't, I can't do like and I things fast and I've seen you like playing Axolotl. Or playing a business where you just like sit there and you're like, hmm, gotta take a moment. To think, yeah. I'm not someone who and I'm just like. Waiting here by the portal. I'm like, I'm not like thinking like, oh man, he's slow, but I'm just like thinking like, huh.

1:11:21 He's thinking, he's thinking. He's thinking about it. Yeah, I'm turning something I'm not. I'm. I'm I'm. I'm not the fast. Yeah, that's fine. Never been. And never will. It's honestly what makes you so good. At Magic, yes. It is so. Hard to keep. Track or like stay with you because I'm like that wait, wait, what you say before that thing, before that thing like it's a lot. I personally am incredibly. Good at abstraction, which is what makes me really good at turn based strategy games. Yes, yes, I. Guess it turned I'm awful.

1:11:57 At them I'm not good. And then here's me be like. I love advanced force remake and I wanted. To love that game so. Bad, but I'm just so ass at it. You made me mad 'cause I got I got like, I don't think you've been halfway through the 1st campaign going in my head and like, alright, I know. And then it sucked 'cause after I returned it I listened to the Advanced Wars by a certain podcast like episode and they were like, Oh yeah, just move your enemies up to.

1:12:30 Where the enemies can't shoot. And then they have to take their turn moving closer so they can't shoot, so that you just shoot them. I'm like, I'm stupid. Yeah. It's all positioning. Just like, I would be like, OK, now I'm in range at the. Yeah, like, OK, there goes that thing. It's beating in. You had to beat them in. Like, had I known that I would have like, I would have been like, oh, now I can actually have fun. Like the only other. Person I can. Think of that can think very quickly is Patrick you know how fast.

1:13:00 You are with magic, yeah. He's faster. Oh. I bet. Like because I do. Stupid shit. Like, yeah, I play commander, he plays standard and standard. You have to be like, you have to know what you have to take out. Yeah, like standard he. Just started playing modern, yeah so. He. Got his ass kicked. I bet modern, but he. Said it was great. I mean, that's kind of how you learn. Is you have to get fucking decimated, yeah. And that's what's happened to me with. Magic I've gotten fucked like I just The problem with me is being.

1:13:34 A slower. Thinker kind of handicaps. Me. With playing magic I can I can see it like. Even. But also there's the problem on the other side. Of where you think too fast and you get and you fuck up. Yes, because. I've been like, oh, get. Rid of that and they're the enemy or the opponent's. Like you didn't get rid of this. Like after it resolved, you're like, this is the bigger threat. I'm like, I didn't even think about that because I'm just like I saw something that could have been dangerous. Not is dangerous.

1:14:05 It's like there's some cards that are like, oh, this sounds dangerous, but the the danger level is down here, but there's cards just like it's subtlety in danger. Some cards are really subtle, but very fucking dangerous. And but even though I'm. Like. That with magic I. Still enjoy playing it like it's still a great thing to play, right? I didn't think I'd ever get into it. I didn't think you would either, honestly. Like. Me, I'm like. I thought you had just been like a casual arena. Which is fine, yeah, but even then now.

1:14:38 Like I I'd. Rather play it. Like, just like Commander, yeah, Arena's fine, I'll play it. But most of the time I'm just like, playing against people on Arena is kind of intimidating because these people have been playing for so long and have these decks that fuck you. Yeah, that's the you. Have to. Keep up with arena cuz it's on a rotation. Yes and if you even fall out for like 3 months you're like you can be behind. Yep and that's what happened. That's why I don't play. It cuz I'm on an ever revolving.

1:15:10 Door of games, I'm just like, by the time I get back to it, three years have passed and everything is out of rotation. Yeah, that's that's why like if I play Arena. How does play against the AI Yeah yeah fair enough cuz I mean I've. Learned from playing. Against the AI, cuz the AI has done some dumb shit. It's it's. Parts learning what you're dealing with. But also. Parts of repetition, yes. You have to. You have to play it. More to understand it more and that's why I can play someone with dex. Really fast cuz I know the lions, yes.

1:15:46 I've seen what some. Pieces interact with others Now sometimes I miss triggers. That's always that's going to happen like. You have a complex board. State or you just first time playing a deck. The first time I played my I'll I'll end this after this, but like the first time I played my mono red impulse draw deck, so I exhaled the top card in my library and I can play it that turn. Otherwise it's gone. I forgot to. You. Know do triggers of Lelia attacking where I got too hasty and be like yeah it's a 22.

1:16:14 And then I you know. Exit out the top card. And I forgot to put a plus and plus encounter on my commander. Dad. Yeah. And I was like the. 1st. Probably four games because I was just like, I was so excited to play it. I'm like, let's play it, let's play it. And then I forgot how to like, I did sorry, I didn't know how to play it. But then I slowly got the hang of it, so I did RIP it. But yeah, yeah, no. I just think, really. Fucking fast. Yes you do. I can't keep. Up with you. Hey, I can definitely say it.

1:16:43 Makes chess. Matches really interesting dog shit. Oh really? I will say though, like I've said this before in the podcast, if you get stuck into a close combat fight with me, you're done so. I will keep track of you in a 3D. Space instantly, yeah. And I. Will also say. Before we end this Mark has seen it I. I stay at mid range with him for a reason. Yeah, I noted. I playing that Sonic Deck has definitely made me better, yeah. Because I've. Been like occasionally I've been just taking it out and actually just fucking around with it.

1:17:25 That's gold fishing. Yeah. And I've just been playing it and I'm like, I'm actually getting, I'm noticing something different about me where I'm like, actually it triggers correctly like it's. I'm doing it is is the point. And I'm like, it's a good feeling. It's a really good feeling. And I'm like, man, this fucking. Deck is cool. Cool. My Lelia deck I'm. Like Oh my God I'm missing so many triggers I feel so bad even though I have like 2-3 years of experience and I got the hang of it. I'm like, I was fucking stupid when.

1:17:56 You get the hang of it. You just feel like why? Why did I have such a problem? That's and that's the thing I try to. Overcome with that because I'm being and I'm being too over critical of myself at the end of the day, this is a card game. It is this is not like I'm working or some dumb shit. It's a card game, right? And I, that's just me. That's just how I'm I've always been my worst critic, I mean. There's been a. Part of me, that's kind of. Accepted this but I've started to learn to love being bad.

1:18:25 Like honestly, I. Kind of already. Miss being bad at Abyssis. Well now I'm just breezing through the entire game. Yeah, I miss being. Like well. Where's the challenge? I mean, I could do brine levels where I increase the difficulty. Yeah. But anyway, this has been going on long enough, so I think it's time to wrap us up. Yeah, it's going to ramp us up. Well, you got to hear about magic, so I can, yes. Something it's. Magical. It is a game. It's not a video game, but it is a game. It's a game. Good game.

1:18:55 I like it.

1:18:57 Runs a chess there. OK, Yeah. No, not. I mean, I would honestly. I would like to get in. Chess, yeah, but like I've. Tried it and like I. I've watched a lot of chess and like I've tried being like, OK, so I know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't have. Those reps of actually. Playing and I have those reps of watching it. It's an intellectual shit, man. To give you a representation. When I was playing, I guess my brother and his his wife they. They kept on. Trying to make. Moves that would open them up to just instantly moving and I'm freaking out on the other side of the bed.

1:19:31 I'm like why? And that's my thing like, because to me. Chess feels. Limited. It's very technical, yeah. So if you want to understand from a programmer's perspective of chess, I'm trying not to drag this out, but for me it's looking at all the possible moves that can be made and trying to choose the best one. My problem is. Early to mid game. Yeah. Late game I'm like, OK, I have limited pieces, I can work with this. Yeah, but getting the set up and getting into the mid game, it's literally a chess match and I'm like ha, brain melting all right, but.

1:20:22 Anyways. Let's go ahead and wrap up. I'm a stick to Stratigo but this has been a hopefully fun episode of I had a good. Time plug in for player. Four yes, I got to call you a ginger fuck. I forgot. I forgot about that. And I I. Got to oh God, no, we're going to end it and I hope, I hope you guys. Enjoyed this too. If you guys have anything, if you guys have anything that doesn't make sense, put in the comments below or if you have any questions, maybe we'll read them on the podcast, but you guys have a good one.

1:21:00 Bye everybody.