Console Wars

0:01 Hey guys and welcome to plug in for Player 4, where you the

0:04 viewer are the Player 4 And today I'm here with the boys

0:08 again. Hi, we are the boys.

0:11 I am the boys. Every, every fucking time I host

0:20 an episode there's some kind of fuck.

0:22 Shit, I'm sorry, Brandon, I can't let you do that.

0:30 There you have Ethan. I'm Mark.

0:35 You already know who the fuck I am I guess.

0:37 I mean, you introduced yourself, of course.

0:39 Yeah, you did, of course. Yeah, yeah, short term memory

0:43 losses a bitch. You know, now that I'm looking

0:45 at that fan a little more closely, it kind of looks like

0:49 something. Very phallic.

0:50 Well, it's bladeless so. It's very phallic.

0:54 It's not. Why are you bringing this up?

0:57 Yeah. We're in the middle of

0:59 recording. What's what's you're talking

1:02 about? An Oval.

1:07 What is it like a fucking earlobe?

1:09 Weird freak. See, you already fucking ruined

1:15 it in the beginning, so I'm just going to ruin it.

1:16 What the fuck you looking at? What are you looking at?

1:22 What are you looking at? Like that squeak?

1:26 Oh God, don't break. Oh Jesus Christ.

1:29 God, we should get a squeak counter.

1:32 Cherry squeak counter. So what have we been playing?

1:36 Yeah, filthy. Animals more revolution idol.

1:44 It's a grind. What about you?

1:49 I've been trying to get a little bit more variety and been

1:51 getting some Stellarison. Been getting back into Destiny

1:57 with you Emma and Jack and a little bit of wrist rain.

2:04 That's a fun time. Yeah, it's a fun.

2:06 Time I still need to get all the achievements.

2:09 I think some of these are bastards.

2:11 I think this weekend we're hoping to try out that Dune

2:15 game. I'm not sure if Jack's still

2:17 interested because of the PvP aspect, but I'm not sure.

2:21 Oh yeah. Because it is free this weekend.

2:24 Yeah, it's. Free to play or free to keep?

2:26 Free to play. Free It's a free to play

2:27 weekend. Yeah, gotcha weekend.

2:29 Just to give it a shot, just a little little try.

2:33 Yeah, we've also had our nice adventures in Terraria.

2:36 Oh yeah, I generally can't wait to play to our clamity with you.

2:41 Now, now that you're actually starting to get the appeal of

2:44 the game and understand how the game functions too, right?

2:47 Yes, 'cause now you, now that you're starting to get that

2:49 baseline, it's like, OK, you can kind of, well, definitely

2:52 understand the basics. Definitely.

2:53 Have to start new characters like just to get a whole.

2:56 Well, yeah, there's gonna be a whole new character.

2:57 Yeah, unless you get to back back to calamity.

3:00 Yeah, that that way you can have a fresh experience now with

3:04 understanding what we're doing and how things are done.

3:07 Yeah, 'cause I think that was kind of tripping me up.

3:09 'Cause we we were also going on a very fast pace for him.

3:13 Too, we were. We we skipped.

3:15 I mean, you guys can't help that because you've played it so

3:17 much. Yeah, we, we literally brought

3:19 you into the hard mode in like Night 2.

3:22 And like, I didn't even think about that too.

3:24 Yeah, I'm sorry. No, like I said, you guys are so

3:26 used to playing this yeah, that you know, I I just sometimes you

3:30 get thrown into the deep end. I.

3:32 Forget did you? Have an experience playing

3:33 Terraria? No, you didn't.

3:36 I have not really played them you.

3:37 Threw them into calamity. But yeah, I like.

3:41 I don't want to. I don't want.

3:42 To say. I don't want to say I didn't

3:44 have knowledge of the game, but. You weren't well in the know of

3:50 how the mechanics of the game actually work.

3:51 And then and on top of that, being thrown into a mod that

3:55 amplifies these things I lost. So that's why I wanted to at

3:59 least do. Yeah.

4:03 That makes sense. Like I honestly should have

4:05 thought of that first. And I mean, and like I said,

4:06 that's, that's fine. I don't that's I don't care.

4:10 Like now ultimately wasn't my idea.

4:12 And like, I'm, I'm excited now for it.

4:16 I've actually had my time. Like, OK, this is how you craft

4:19 things. You know, these are the builds

4:21 that you can have for at least base Terraria, Yeah.

4:25 Like I'm I'm still curious what you're going to pick now that

4:28 you know more about Terraria going into calamity.

4:32 Like what? What Quick class 'cause you're

4:33 right, now you're going melee and bass.

4:35 Yeah, I really like Melee. Melee is a very satisfying 1.

4:40 Yeah. I I do melee.

4:43 I just know that I like my summer class.

4:44 Yeah, I know you like the summer.

4:46 I like to stand around. Like I, I obviously help with

4:48 the whips, but I'm just like, I like to stand around or just,

4:50 you know, be able to do shit. Yeah, like just mundane things

4:54 and just walk around and mine or whatever.

4:56 And just like, oh, there's an enemy that's dead that I didn't

4:58 know about, but now I don't have to worry about.

5:00 Cool. Well, like playing Summoner for

5:03 my first time without really knowing what I'm doing.

5:07 I do like it 'cause it does kind of remind me of Vampire

5:11 Survivors. And then we'll say I was rushing

5:13 that too. You're alright.

5:18 Well, you. Don't have to worry about a

5:20 Nintendo patent. You know, you're right.

5:24 Jesus, at the time of recording Nintendo just patent the ability

5:31 to summon an enemy and then have that or summon a character that

5:37 automatically flights enemies for you.

5:40 Yeah, it's it's. Things are really weird in the

5:45 gaming world, but as if we. But as my brother has said to

5:49 me, 'cause I so when I say he doesn't care, doesn't mean, you

5:57 know, he's completely brushing it, but he just, he in his mind

6:04 like it's whatever the shit's happening, what can you do about

6:08 it? I mean, I'm like under the

6:10 influence. Like if, like the more people

6:13 that can just like, avoid Nintendo products, the better.

6:16 And sadly, my brother's the same way.

6:18 He's like, well, why should I, you know, make myself miserable

6:21 by stop playing the games that I love?

6:24 I'm like, there's other things out there like.

6:25 Yeah, there's other things and that's perfectly fine.

6:29 I I, I think that really just throws people into a between a

6:32 rock and a hard place because you know, you have you have the

6:36 games that you love, but at the same time the company is doing

6:39 really shit things. So what do you do?

6:43 Do you do you do what you believe is right or do you do

6:48 you continue to enjoy yourself 'cause you know thing that

6:51 things are kind of shit right now and.

6:54 Everybody's got their opinion with it and that's.

6:56 Fine. I mean, like my opinion is like,

6:58 I just don't see anything changing unless people like

7:00 actively vote. Vote with their vote, with their

7:03 wallet, not their mouth. Yeah, yeah.

7:05 And like, there are going to be people that are in the same vein

7:08 as you that they're not going to until things change.

7:14 That's it. And then even then, like I also

7:16 don't really have much care for Nintendo, not because I don't

7:22 hate them, just because I mainly play on my PC.

7:25 You. Know I don't really like I I've

7:28 stopped playing Xbox since I got my PC yeah I played my switch

7:33 more than what before I like you know as when I was out and about

7:36 but like before I had my PC yeah once I got my PC kind of every

7:40 other console just. And that's kind of how it's been

7:42 with me. Like I'll occasionally like,

7:44 play some stuff on my PlayStation or my Xbox, right?

7:47 But yeah, no, I, I, I get that. That's fair.

7:50 There's just so many games in one spot, it's hard to go

7:54 somewhere else. Yes, it is.

7:56 Like I've I've and I keep telling myself sorry and the,

7:59 the yeah. No, no, no, you're right.

8:00 But like, I have Donkey Kong 64 literally right here, right in

8:06 front of me. Yeah, I've been meaning to play

8:07 this for like a month now. Yeah.

8:09 And I'm just like butt computer. Butt Computer.

8:12 I love my pewter. All my friends are on it.

8:14 Exactly, Yeah. No.

8:16 And that's. That's perfectly fine.

8:19 Yeah. Like there's just there's things

8:21 that are going on that suck right now.

8:23 And you and I just hope for the best.

8:26 Yeah. I mean, like you, you don't

8:27 stress yourself out about it, right?

8:29 Because you stressing yourself ain't going to change anything.

8:32 No. And they're going to continue to

8:34 be the way that they want. I'm like, I'm not going to hate

8:36 anybody who's like, I'm, I'm going to play whatever I want.

8:41 Like, fine, sure, fella. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

8:43 I just want to make more people aware about it is all.

8:45 Yeah, there there are issues that could become bigger issues

8:49 than the line. It's just this is what's coming

8:52 out of the pipeline. It's kind of good to be aware

8:55 of. And it's good to this.

8:56 Is also happening. It's good to talk about it

8:59 because you, one, you can get it out there and two, it doesn't

9:03 get just brushed under the rug. Yeah, right.

9:05 And I do want to say this does sound contradictory.

9:07 I mean, he's like talking about like how I want to play Donkey

9:09 Kong 64, but like, that's a game that's so far removed from

9:14 Nintendo's money. From modern Nintendo.

9:17 Yes. Like they're not getting any

9:18 money from that, so there's no point, no.

9:21 But that's, like I said, it's just one of those things that

9:25 don't stress yourself over, do whatever you want, right?

9:28 And this goes for the people listening.

9:29 But just just be aware that these things are actually

9:33 happening. Yeah, just know that this is

9:34 what's going on. But this is not us telling you

9:37 to stop playing everything Nintendo.

9:39 No, do what makes you happy, because that's what fucking

9:42 matters. Right, but be aware that there's

9:45 shitty stuff going on even with. Yeah, just be aware of what's

9:49 going on. And that's really it.

9:50 That's not much you can do. Anyways, let's steer us back

9:54 into the conversation. What's your topic for us today,

9:57 Brandon? Well.

10:00 Go on, Brandon. God, this is.

10:02 Brandon, it's all right. You.

10:04 You. You what, Brandon?

10:05 Go on well. The same waiting shut.

10:09 Up don't you blink at me, freaky fucker.

10:15 So we're are. You a frog blink just.

10:20 Jesus Christ. You make me very uncomfortable.

10:25 So wait. Oh, go on.

10:28 I'm going to throw that beer at you.

10:31 Oh, OK. You like that bitterness?

10:35 Didn't I tell you how you do? So it's console wars, that's

10:38 what we're. Talking Oh God, it's just bad.

10:41 What? Oh God, it's just as bad, yeah.

10:47 So this is not, this is just a topic on.

10:51 Right, this is overall. How we feel about it, because

10:54 now to kind of throw in my kind of one of my points to kind of

11:02 get us going about that with seeing Hell Divers release on

11:09 Xbox and Gears of War on PlayStation, this is shit I

11:14 didn't think I'd ever see. Yeah, really, two separate

11:17 companies IPS on each other's consoles is fucking crazy.

11:22 And that just kind of tells me like the console war shit's kind

11:26 of. Well, here's kind of cool.

11:27 Here's two ways to think about it.

11:29 The first way is, you know, back in the day, you know, like it

11:33 was Nintendo versus Sega. It was like early, early

11:39 Microsoft. Versus Atari versus Namco, what

11:46 was it? What was it?

11:47 Atari versus Namco or something? Was the name was Bandai even

11:51 making consoles at that point? I mean they made plug and plays,

11:54 but I don't think they made a. Consoles, but they were not.

11:57 That's going back to the point of when our our parents were

12:00 kids, so we wouldn't really. But yeah, but going back though,

12:03 like it was like Sega versus Nintendo.

12:05 I'm like Sega does with Nintendo and like that kind of shit.

12:09 Well, like it's from from this first perspective.

12:14 It like way back when it was needed, it was, you know,

12:16 advertisement. It was like, you know, this is

12:19 when game gaming was first gaining popularity, and yeah,

12:23 the Internet isn't what it was then.

12:25 There was no established, no upper dog.

12:29 You you found shit through word of mouth?

12:33 Yeah, word of mouth, having a game guide or it being in the

12:36 pamphlet that you get. In the case all good old

12:38 magazines, Nintendo Power. Oh yeah, Nintendo Power forgot

12:42 about that too. Yeah.

12:43 Or even then, whatever was in your local arcade if you go back

12:48 far enough. Yep.

12:49 But now the nowadays is that there really isn't a console

12:52 war, No. And the only console war is that

12:55 people, stupid people arguing online, Yeah.

12:58 That's pretty much. Microsoft, Nintendo, it's like,

13:00 shut up. They all have their own role in

13:02 the place right now. They all have their own role.

13:05 It's just interesting to me to see that these games are now

13:10 going off of their original console and going to its

13:15 competitor, right That that is, that is honestly pretty cool.

13:19 And that's why I said I think this is where it's probably

13:23 finally going to die off. That's not to say there still

13:27 won't be competition. No, there will need competition.

13:30 Yes, there will still be competition.

13:31 In order for games to stay. Relevant and stay, yeah.

13:35 They keep keep the other companies in check.

13:37 Yes, but I just, I, I like seeing this.

13:41 I didn't think I'd ever see Gears of War on a PlayStation.

13:44 What the fuck? Yeah, you know, but it's nice.

13:47 Again, what you said, it's all about the entertainment.

13:49 Yeah, that's literally at the end of the day, it doesn't

13:51 fucking matter what console you're on.

13:53 And that's why I'm here, to have fun.

13:54 That's kind of why I hate Sony's exclusivities.

13:57 Yep. Blake, I play on PCI own an

14:01 Xbox. I don't have a PlayStation.

14:04 Yep, a modern one, yeah, I can't play.

14:07 Not body by land. What's this?

14:11 Horizon 0 down. No Astrobot.

14:13 Astrobot, yeah. I wanna play that game so bad

14:16 but I can't cuz I'm not gonna spend $500 on a console and

14:19 $60.00 on a game just to play it plus online if I need it.

14:22 Yeah. And I'm hoping at some point,

14:26 Sony, since they've been put in the like, Spider Man games on

14:29 Steam, yeah, that they'll eventually put Astrobot.

14:32 I think it's like an I think it's like a year exclusivity,

14:35 unless the game is just that popular, yeah, or they expect it

14:38 to be that popular. It should probably be on Steam

14:41 if I had to assume sometime next year.

14:44 I. Don't doubt it.

14:45 But it's definitely a game that the way the way you play it,

14:55 like the best experience is with a dual sense controller, which

15:00 is the PS-5 controller, right? Because of the heptic feedback,

15:05 the way the triggers work, it really immerses you.

15:08 So if it does ever come out on Steam and it should, hopefully

15:16 you should be able to have the heptic feedback stuff supported.

15:20 You just have to have the controller plugged in with USB.

15:23 It's not Bluetooth. OK, if that does happen, I can

15:28 always lend you a PS-5 controller for the full

15:31 experience because it really makes a difference, believe me.

15:35 Right. But this is like kind of going

15:37 back to my point about console wars.

15:38 Is that like the exclusivities? Yep.

15:41 Like spider Man, Hogwarts, all this.

15:43 I think Hogwarts was expensive. No, Hogwarts was an exclusive.

15:45 No, that's awesome. Yeah, they're actually porting

15:49 it over to Switch, which. But yeah, there was I'm.

15:51 Honestly shocked that they are. But just like all these

15:54 exclusivities that like Sony is just pumping out and what's Xbox

15:59 doing? Nothing.

16:00 Me, unfortunately, yeah. And it's like, why not just, you

16:03 know, put these on Xbox for all the Xbox people play put this on

16:06 steam for all the PCI mean now kind of switches in the game

16:09 too. When I put those on switch,

16:11 which is why not why not make games available for everyone?

16:14 Like that's kind of where like the the console warriors like

16:18 nowadays arguments lie is like, well, when Nintendo, sorry Xbox

16:23 does nothing with their games. They just it's a graveyard.

16:25 It's what people it's. What people describe and then

16:29 Sony is like, yeah, this is where it's at because all these

16:31 really good games, all these really good exclusives in like

16:35 just all this innovation. Yes.

16:39 Now I will throw. Nintendo does their own thing.

16:43 Yeah, yeah. But what's interesting, I, I

16:45 will throw in with Nintendo in specific because funny enough

16:51 today when I woke up, there was a, there's a new trailer for

16:55 Residual 9 and it showed way more of the game.

17:00 And funny enough, that's going on the Switch too.

17:05 And it's not A and from what I gather it is not a cloud based

17:09 game. It is on the Switch too.

17:13 And not just that, but there was some.

17:15 I think they're putting RE 7:00 and 8:00 as well on the Switch

17:21 too. Well, you can see Lady Demiscus

17:23 in all of her 8. Polygons that like now I like

17:30 seeing that right, you know? Yeah, for like Nintendo's sake

17:34 too, because they've always, for a long time, they've always been

17:39 very picky with third party games.

17:41 They've always been that way. And now they're kind of

17:45 branching out, which is nice to see.

17:49 But again, with everything that has been said, they have some

17:54 shit they need to figure out. Yes they do.

17:56 But I like to see what I'm seeing right now.

18:00 It's cool and again, hopefully things change, but that's where

18:10 I wanted to start us off at and but who wants to go?

18:17 I've kind of said a lot of things, so I guess my.

18:20 Turn, I guess, looking back at the Consul Wars, it's a very

18:27 complicated sort of situation. So you you have a lot of bad

18:34 things that you can reflect upon that say, oh, things are better

18:37 now. But I kind of want to make a

18:41 point that things were also good back in the console wars that

18:46 we're kind of seeing fade away. And one of the particularly one

18:51 of those things are the consoles and the competition.

18:56 So the the with the during all the console wars, a lot of what

19:03 you would see the larger companies do.

19:06 So not the developers, but Microsoft and Sony and Nintendo

19:11 themselves doing would be pushing much more advanced

19:15 hardware into their devices. And you know, you would always

19:22 look to the next console release and sure enough, it would have

19:26 the latest and greatest of tech. It kept on pushing the

19:29 boundaries and really gave us a, a sense of it's driving a lot of

19:38 consumer tech by having such a high demand for higher capacity

19:44 storage, faster RAM, faster chipsets, and it, it really kept

19:51 churning a lot of consumer tech. And well, unfortunately, that

20:00 kind of got slashed during the the COVID-19 pandemic with the

20:05 supply chain crises and then just the general craziness that

20:10 has been happening for the past five years with just the

20:15 geopolitics and the supply chains getting fucking naked.

20:20 From either like the Ever Given or the war in Israel, Gaza with

20:27 the Houthis coming in, just the supply chains have not been what

20:33 they were in the twenty 10's and 2000s.

20:37 And predictably, we're starting to see the major players kind of

20:43 trying to bow out of hardware. Yeah.

20:46 I mean, we, there's so much talk about wondering if Microsoft is

20:52 even going to stay in the hardware game at this point,

20:56 which means that we're going to, without the competition, we

20:59 won't see as much push for development in hardware tech,

21:07 which means we're probably going to see a lot of so, so we'll

21:12 still get newer consoles, but it the differences in performance

21:17 and actual capabilities between the next coming generations.

21:21 If we don't have that competition is just going to see

21:24 stagnation and just more and more of the same.

21:30 Why do we need to keep pushing hardware if this is as far as

21:33 we're really going to be willing to go?

21:37 Unfortunately, yeah, because we are kind of hitting or we're

21:40 coming up to that basically brick wall of how far can we go

21:45 pass this. Cause The thing is though, at

21:50 this point consoles are like semi portable computer, yeah.

21:55 Pretty much they're they're basically just a.

21:58 Computer. I'd argue it's.

22:00 It's a very specialized computer to do a very specific task.

22:04 Of course. But.

22:05 Still, it's basically just like a, a budget computer build.

22:10 Yeah, you know, it's, you know, optimized for its own thing, but

22:13 also like, at what point do you just say fucking getting your

22:16 own PC? Like because these consoles,

22:19 like I don't think either company are making money off

22:23 their consoles, not. So much anymore.

22:25 I mean, I mean more so the games, the subscriptions.

22:29 Look at the PS-5 Pro edition where you have to buy the

22:34 plastic stand and the disk drive separately.

22:38 It's just. Oh yeah, yeah.

22:40 It doesn't feel like they're making money off of this anymore

22:43 like you said. And like, I'm sorry, but like in

22:45 terms of console wars, the there's only one time Xbox One

22:48 and that was the 360. Yeah.

22:50 So. Yeah, they dropped.

22:52 At what point? At this point, Like if they've

22:55 only had one win of them built on with four consoles compared

22:59 to five consoles on the other side.

23:01 And it's like, when, again, if we're just talking strictly

23:04 Microsoft versus Sony, not including Nintendo, but like,

23:07 what? At what point do you just throw

23:09 in a towel and try something different?

23:12 The thing is, I think it in my opinion, I think if they stopped

23:16 making consoles, that's I want to say it would be the death of

23:21 Xbox. It would it?

23:23 Would it it? Would be bad because that's how

23:27 it started. It didn't.

23:29 It started as a. It was a console.

23:31 It was not a cloud based thing. I get it that things need to

23:36 move forward but if you are going to get rid of the sole

23:42 purpose of why that this was even started in the 1st place

23:47 then you lost your identity. I I don't like I don't see them

23:53 like them stop making consoles. But if they do, then that's it

23:59 for me. I mean, they're going really

24:02 hard in on digital everything which.

24:04 And which is sad, yeah. Cuz we, we, we've seen the

24:08 problems with all the streaming bullshit going on right now.

24:12 It's got its own problems, but that that's a topic for another

24:16 day. But.

24:16 Yeah, it's a topic in a bit so. It it's just you're, you're

24:21 losing, like you said, your sense of identity as a company

24:25 and your own culture that you've built up over decades is

24:31 withering away because you're just no longer interested in

24:34 keeping up the pursuit of it. I mean, here's here's my thing

24:39 though, kind of pertaining to console wars, like what you

24:42 said, Brandon identity after the 360 and PS3 era, I think both

24:50 consoles just lost their identity because of how advanced

24:52 they got. Like there was if if you could

24:55 just take one game like from the Xbox One and put it on the Xbox,

25:01 sorry, on the PS4. What's the difference Now if you

25:06 took a 360 game and put it on the PS3?

25:10 Big difference. There was.

25:11 Yeah, and like at this point, I just don't see a reason for a

25:17 console war. I guess that's my stance this

25:20 episode because I just don't see one because whether you have a

25:25 PlayStation or an Xbox or APC, it's all the same.

25:28 Yeah, you're literally you're the end goal is the same like,

25:32 you know. It's not about, like, getting

25:34 people hyped up for a game that's like, you know, for

25:38 example, like Mario Bro, like the like Mario Bros Three, like

25:41 there was advertisements everywhere for Mario Bros 3 in

25:44 the US. Yeah, yeah.

25:47 Compared to whatever Nintendo is doing at the time or no, sorry,

25:50 whatever. I don't think Sega was in the

25:53 game at that time, were they? What era is this?

25:56 This is like, let's see Super Mario 3.

25:58 I think that was NES, NES, NES. Yeah, Sega was so.

26:05 Yeah, they were so. OK, yeah, compared to what Sega

26:08 was doing. But then like, yeah, you had

26:09 Microsoft and I don't know, it's just other than Nintendo, I

26:14 don't think there's identity. And I think that's also what

26:17 really helps console wars as well.

26:19 Like like the more playful the side of console wars, not the

26:26 well your console sucks argumentative back and forth,

26:29 whatever, stupid. People's mind, that's something

26:31 that kind of got really bad during the console wars, was

26:34 just the tribalism. Yeah, really.

26:36 It's like they both do the same exact fucking thing.

26:40 There is no fucking difference. All it comes down to really

26:44 controller preference. Yes.

26:47 That's really. Like that's about it.

26:49 And even that now doesn't. I mean, they're, they're getting

26:52 so ergonomic that there's that even the controllers are kind of

26:56 starting to lose their identity as well.

26:58 That could be an episode as controller shapes over the

27:02 years. That'd be interesting.

27:04 Like with see what what really I think did it from Microsoft is

27:10 when they botched the Xbox One. Reveal so it.

27:15 Always has to be online. Your console has to be able to

27:18 ping the servers every. I think it's like 48 hours or

27:23 some shit before whatever it was and it's like.

27:26 I forgot about that actually. Really think that's a good idea,

27:30 Yeah. I think would also really sorry

27:33 to interrupt. Go ahead.

27:35 Also pushing it as a fucking Media Center.

27:41 Yeah, Oh my God, you're right. That all they talked about was

27:45 TV, TV, TV, TV, one game, TV, TV.

27:47 It's like, yeah. What the fuck not?

27:50 The purpose of what you wanted the console for?

27:52 It's fucking. Gaming.

27:53 Console. If you wanted the TV then just

27:55 turn on your damn TV system. It's not yeah, it it it's not

28:00 like an ET and TU verse where you can just stream all your

28:03 channels to it. That that in itself was a highly

28:07 specialized device specifically for that.

28:10 And I also will have huge beef with the fucking operating

28:15 system. When that thing came out, that

28:17 OS was shit. You know why?

28:20 Windows 8. Yeah, it's.

28:24 That fucking UI sucked. I forgot I ran on Windows 8.

28:29 Oh my God, it was slow. Also the UI was dog shit

28:34 unreleased. Like they changed the UI every

28:36 fucking week for like 6 months. That's.

28:39 What happens when you try to make an operating system that

28:42 runs on PC and the Surface and your phone and your Xbox?

28:50 Yeah, at some point you need something specialized and the

28:54 Jack of all trades thing that they tried to do just.

28:57 Didn't work. It it could not work because

29:00 you'll be a Jack of all trades but a master of nothing.

29:02 I had a thought here but it's gone.

29:05 Shit. Too bad, yeah.

29:07 No, it'll come. Back, never to return, Yeah.

29:09 It'll come back. But I, I think another good

29:12 thing that kind of gets lost, I personally think that a big

29:17 thing that we're starting to miss from such the competition

29:21 of the console wars was the, the price of the games.

29:27 Because you had the big three companies in constant

29:31 competition of with one another. They would be so competitive

29:35 that they would try to keep costs at as low as they possibly

29:40 could. Because then it'll be like,

29:42 well, people are aren't going to be bitching so much about like

29:46 an $80 game. And now that we're starting to

29:50 see while all these companies, they can virtually play the same

29:55 game as long as they have, as long as they have the right

29:57 license key to have the right version of the game.

30:01 Their servers are interconnected.

30:02 So you don't have to worry about your friends being on the wrong

30:07 console. You can just all play together

30:10 and essentially it removes all incentive for the companies to

30:13 keep the game's price low. And like at this point, minus

30:17 maybe Sony, every game is cross-platform.

30:22 Yeah, every fucking game. Like nowadays.

30:26 Yeah, which that's something I like to touch on as well.

30:30 I think that was a great thing to happen.

30:35 Well, of course. As a consumer and for just

30:40 having social interaction with the people, absolutely.

30:44 Like it was, I know for years companies have said you can't do

30:48 it, can't be done, can't be done.

30:49 It's like it can be done. You're just.

30:50 Yeah, you don't want to do it. Yeah, right.

30:52 It's not you're lazy, it's you don't want to risk losing your

30:56 consumer base. Yeah, which have, since this has

31:00 been going on for a little while, it doesn't seem like that

31:03 has happened, you know, like things have been.

31:06 I mean, there's, you know, there's things that can be wrong

31:09 with this. It can be annoying, you know, if

31:12 you're a console gamer and then you're like playing Call of Duty

31:16 or something and you're paired up with PC players.

31:19 Yeah. But that's as an easy fix of

31:22 just turning off cross play. Well that also has its own

31:25 problems of you can't be like put on people that have or you

31:29 can't be part put into games with people that have cross play

31:32 on, even if they're on the same console.

31:34 Yeah, and very few people do that.

31:36 They get matched up with the same people all the time and

31:38 that that's it's own issue. It's own issue, yeah.

31:41 It's not perfect, yeah, But I'm happy that it's been implemented

31:44 in some kind of way, and it's been, for the most part, fine.

31:48 Right, yeah. I mean, I'm not saying it's a

31:50 bad thing. I just feel like a lot of things

31:52 should have it turned off by default, but not on.

31:55 If you want to turn it on and be like, hey, I want to like play

31:58 against PC players, yeah, yes. Or I just want to play with my

32:01 friends, sure, go on. But I always say have it off by

32:04 default, yeah. See, I'm, I'm kind of used to

32:06 like if you're doing competitive stuff, like I said, Call of Duty

32:09 when I was playing it, even though I played on PCI, played

32:13 with a controller because I'm, I'm not bad with first person

32:16 shooters with a mouse and keyboard, but there are people

32:18 way better than me. It's just your preference.

32:21 Yeah, it's a preference. It's a preference.

32:22 A. Controller then that's what.

32:24 You're gonna be used to, yeah, but I was always better with a

32:27 controller and I have held my own with it, even though a mouse

32:32 and keyboard is in a lot of ways superior over that with kind of

32:38 like competitive games. Yeah, well, that's the thing

32:41 though. Like if we're getting that, then

32:43 we're gonna have to look at like for example, Apex Legends.

32:45 I mean, I know this the most of Apex Legends is that all the

32:48 competitive players use controllers over keep over a PC.

32:55 I think it's because something about the aim assist.

32:58 I. Think because there's there's no

33:01 aim assist on the computer on on mouse.

33:04 It's point and click, whereas with the controller you have to

33:07 aim and then you'll have. You'll have.

33:08 Help. You'll have some help because

33:10 you'll have the the the firing cones.

33:12 And I think it might be the same in like something else, maybe

33:15 Call of Duty, I can't remember. I think Call of Duty has it too,

33:17 yeah. I'm just saying in the

33:18 competitive scene is what I'm talking.

33:20 About maybe it was. Overwatch maybe I couldn't, I

33:23 can't remember. It was some shooter again, just

33:25 like Apex and it was the same thing.

33:29 People were just using controllers.

33:31 Yeah, I think Call of Duty, don't quote me on this, but I

33:37 think when you're using a controller and this is like just

33:40 casual, not competitive, I think aim assist is disabled because

33:49 quote him, quote him. I think, I swear when I was

33:54 playing like one of the newer Call of Duties, I did not have

33:57 aim assist. And I think that's because it's,

34:00 I guess not fair to like people with keyboard and mouse.

34:05 I'm like, does it really matter that much?

34:07 Yeah, yeah, they're faster than I am.

34:10 I'm technically at a disadvantage.

34:13 But I mean, like I said, don't quote me.

34:15 I think I think it was like that, but I I'm I can't exactly.

34:19 Remember. Yeah, well, getting back to my

34:21 point, if you if you and your friends, no, no matter what

34:27 console you're playing is if you can play the same game, there's

34:32 no incentive for these companies to keep the price down anymore.

34:36 So now they're going to be going to the actual developer and say,

34:39 hey, let's raise the prices so that way everybody's making more

34:43 money. And we'll say, oh, it's for

34:48 keeping the games at a price that's relevant for today's

34:52 economy. And I, I just, I understand that

34:57 that's part of it. But over the past couple years,

35:01 we've seen games hike up from $60 to $70.00 to $90.00.

35:08 People are estimating that GTA is going to set that $100 price

35:12 point and it feel it just seems like that that this is much more

35:20 of a likely reason why these companies are doing it.

35:24 Because there is no more of an incentive to keep the prices low

35:28 in order to retain your player base now that your game can be

35:32 played anywhere. I mean, in, in this sense, it's

35:35 kind of like company's fault, but it's also the player's fault

35:38 that, you know, just innovation quote UN quote is graphics

35:45 innovation is how pretty, some how pretty something looks.

35:49 And that alone increases the size of games, and that alone

35:54 increases production times of games.

35:56 Well, that that that in itself is more the fold of the of the

35:59 studio pushing that sort of agenda and that sort of push

36:06 into into graphical technology. That's not so much the fault of

36:09 the player. But but no.

36:10 But there's a bunch of people that just like, well, this game

36:14 looks really pretty. That's where you play it.

36:15 Like for example, for example, Forza, people look at all those

36:19 pristine cars, 4K16K3, whatever. It's like yes, kind of or mostly

36:28 the studios, but kind of the players just for you know, like

36:31 also being like, yes, we want more pretty things, but that's

36:35 all that. That's also like, now the games

36:38 are getting bigger, they're taking longer to make, and so

36:43 now the prices have to go up because of it.

36:45 Yeah, because. Unless the.

36:46 Production because games can't come out like every 5-6 months

36:51 like they used to compared to like if if we compare prices,

36:54 yeah. For making a game, yeah.

36:56 Well, that leads into another point that I had written down is

36:59 that these the traditional business structure of these

37:04 companies is just no longer sustainable.

37:06 It's really not because over the over the past two years, we've

37:10 seen so many people getting cut from these larger gaming

37:14 companies. I mean Xbox dropped what was it,

37:18 9000 employees? Sorry, Chair counter.

37:24 We're going to have to do a fucking chair counter, man.

37:26 This is fucking chair. It's comfortable, but fucking

37:28 damn, Sounds like I'm stepping on a mouse.

37:31 Continue. But yeah, wasn't it that

37:33 Microsoft dropped 9000 employees through its gaming division just

37:37 a couple months ago? If I remember correctly, I.

37:40 I think they didn't like 9000 and then another group of like

37:43 3000 or something like that. Yeah, so I'm trying to remember

37:46 Patrick. When I brought this up to him, I

37:49 swear he said that was Microsoft wide.

37:52 It wasn't just the Xbox division.

37:56 But a large portion of it was Xbox.

37:58 I remember. Yeah, and that's why Perfect

38:00 Dark got the cut. Like it?

38:06 It feels, it feels like these companies are desperately trying

38:10 to maintain these outdated structures and like you said,

38:15 they're jumping so much money into into high fidelity, high

38:21 technical looking games and into just chasing trends that it's

38:28 just no longer working. Yeah, and it's like graphics and

38:31 all is nice, all right? It's pretty whatever.

38:34 But it's like if the game, like, The thing is, with a lot of

38:39 these games nowadays, you're watching cutscene after cutscene

38:42 after cutscene after cutscene. I might do some game, you know,

38:45 gameplay here, cutscene. It's like, if I'm gonna do this,

38:47 I'll just watch a fucking movie. Yeah.

38:49 Like if I want real life, I'll go outside and touch grass.

38:52 That was the whole idea was the push towards your game is

38:56 actually cinematic experience. Which is fine.

38:59 It's fine in certain circumstances.

39:01 But it's like I want to play the fucking.

39:03 Game something. Something Hideo Kijima

39:05 something. His games are a different breed.

39:10 It games, it's game. You're basically a mailman, but

39:16 but his his games are a different thing.

39:19 Yeah. I mean, that goes into the

39:21 identity of those games though. Yes, just so many fucking

39:24 cutscenes. Yes, I think he broke the record

39:27 of cutscenes. Longest cutscene, right?

39:28 It's something like that, yeah. Like I I said, I don't hate

39:31 cutscenes. I don't mind it, you know, when

39:33 it's a game that I really like, like I've been excited for, I

39:39 might sit through some of the cutscenes, you know, and

39:41 whatnot. Like what I thought was kind of

39:44 cool going back to RE-9 for a minute.

39:50 Capcom, their transition from a cutscene to gameplay, you

40:00 couldn't fucking tell a difference.

40:01 Dude, there have been very few games.

40:03 I can't. I there's there.

40:04 I know I've played a game that's like that where I'm just like,

40:06 Oh my God, I'm into the game now.

40:08 Yeah, like I pick up the like I was like, oh, nothing's

40:11 happening. Oh shit.

40:12 I can't pick up the controller. I can't think of any.

40:14 Maybe Mafia or something, I can't remember.

40:17 I love how they I. Remember watching somebody at

40:19 like a games con, and I think it was for Uncharted 4 where that

40:26 happened to them and they're just playing the game, they're

40:30 watching the cutscene and they're like, oh, I actually

40:32 have to physically move through the crowd because it's cutscene

40:37 up until you see them enter the crowd, right?

40:39 And it's just a seamless transition where, oh, now I

40:43 actually have to be moving through the crowd myself.

40:46 Like the cutscene I'm talking about in particular is the

40:51 second, I think it was the second trailer or something.

40:54 It was one of the trailers for RE 9.

40:56 And it's Grace and her mom. And the way that this cutscene

41:03 was done, Grace's mom kind of goes to like this picture I

41:08 think, and there's a gun behind it.

41:10 She grabs that and it's still the cutscene.

41:13 And once they get to this door, Grace's mom opens the door and

41:18 she says follow me. You're already in gameplay.

41:22 It like you don't you like it literally didn't.

41:24 It's Jesus. That's the one thing with with

41:28 Capcom like and also their their RE engine, the real, the realism

41:37 of that engine is great, but it also is still kind of like.

41:45 Hey girl, What? Do you think?

41:46 It was. Well, some of them.

41:49 He's releasing it. He's releasing it, Demons.

41:53 I am a ginger. Don't do estimate.

41:57 That was a soul trying to get out.

41:59 Please, I have no soul. Bitch, I'm going out of soul.

42:05 Every time he hiccups, he's like, Nope, you get back down in

42:07 there. Jesus Christ.

42:12 But no, the except what I like with Capcom's new engine is

42:17 it's, it is realistic, yes, but it also feels not like unreal

42:28 where it's like, OK, we get it, it's realistic.

42:34 But with Capcom's proprietary engine, it's realistic but also

42:41 kind of goofy. Like that's, that's where I

42:45 like. It's going for more of a for

42:47 more of a artistic approach instead of, oh, everything has

42:51 to be as greatly as possible. 'Cause I mean believe me, like

42:56 we've talked about gaming art in one of the episodes, but I think

43:03 it's between RE-8 and RE4. Remake of how pretty the game is

43:08 but doesn't. Sacrifice the character.

43:12 Yes, yeah, it's honestly pretty amazing.

43:16 And it's a robust engine too. Man, this has gone like away

43:21 from console wars, but I think it would help if companies like

43:25 these big gaming corporations just made like started exploring

43:30 different art styles other than just let's make this game look

43:35 as pretty and immersive as possible.

43:36 Well, there's, there's a point where you're just like, this is

43:38 still just a game like, yeah, pretty and immersive.

43:41 Like takes you out of the immersion, if that makes any

43:43 sense. That's personally, in my in my

43:46 personal opinion, that's sort of the problem with the end of the

43:48 console wars, because now that hardware is no longer the big

43:52 thing, what's why are these companies using this show that

43:57 they have the biggest stick and currently that's graphical

44:01 fidelity. But but you can also have like,

44:04 genuinely entertaining concepts. Like for example, let's let's

44:07 just say Split Gate. Yeah, it's Halo with portals.

44:10 Yeah. From Portal.

44:11 Yeah, pretty much. Like, that was kind of cool to

44:15 see, yeah. And it was something different.

44:17 It was that's there has to be more variety.

44:21 Of course, but like, you know, just, you know, start start

44:23 exploring different avenues and like you know, like like I know

44:28 I contradicted myself at the beginning of the episode with

44:31 like gaming exclusivity of how I hate them.

44:34 Astrobot isn't on PC, but like I don't mind waiting a year.

44:37 Yeah, yeah. If they do like if all the

44:40 consoles did exclusivity for a year and like started like you

44:45 know, testing things out kind of like hi-fi rush even sadly

44:48 that's gone the the company. Yeah, I know behind it that that

44:52 was such a shame. Yeah.

44:54 Like, oh, look, it made us all this money anyway, yeah.

44:58 Pretty. Much.

45:00 I think I said it a couple a couple of months ago, we're not

45:05 even success as successful in this industry right now.

45:09 I think we just need to find new identities to put these two like

45:13 attach kind of like a face of the consoles.

45:17 Consoles don't have a face in it like Microsoft had Halo and Sony

45:21 had, you know, like, yeah, got a war or Spyro, Uncharted, Crash

45:28 Bandicoot, Horizon, you can name a lot, but I'm just saying like,

45:33 you know, from the beginning or. Even for a while, it was a sack

45:36 boy from Little Big Play. Yeah.

45:39 We can say that like, let's say like sack boy and for

45:42 PlayStation and you know, Master Chief for, you know, whatever.

45:47 And then Master Chief Kirbys. No, let's let the Mario for for

45:51 Nintendo for Nintendo now. I mean, yeah, there's still

45:54 Mario for Nintendo, but the other two were like, I mean,

45:58 yeah, Halo right now it's. Mario in lawsuits.

46:02 Okay. Yeah, yeah.

46:05 Are you sure you think of a Legend of Zelda?

46:08 No. It's it's it's same first

46:10 letter. But yeah, I think that I think

46:15 it's just the fact that the other two consoles lost their

46:17 identity. Yeah.

46:18 I mean, obviously it's a good deal, but well.

46:20 Part, part part of what fed into that is that again, these games

46:27 are now designed to be more vehicles of wealth extraction

46:34 than any sort of entertaining experience.

46:38 There's so much of A push for you to have to spend money in a

46:41 cosmetics store or or when it was really bad with the

46:45 microtransactions paid to win schemes.

46:49 But it it there's such a push for you would need to spend more

46:54 money in order for the experience to get better for you

46:58 is that a lot of these companies aren't going to take any more

47:00 risks because they're like, well, if there's not XYZ

47:05 marketable properties though, we just can't make money off of it.

47:10 It just it sucks that. The the art has been lost.

47:14 It's it's business running the show.

47:16 It just it sucks to see that the creativity and fun has like

47:20 died. Yeah.

47:21 Like that's. I mean, arguably they're still

47:24 fun, but they're still fun. The.

47:25 Creativity. They're fun, but but the the

47:28 creativity is gone. The innovation is muted and it's

47:34 it's just how can we push people to spend just a little bit more

47:38 money even though they're strapped with cash?

47:42 Yes, it's like because. Hardware sales are no longer

47:48 doing it. No, no, not anymore.

47:51 And like, I'm sorry, but I just in a couple of years I'm not

47:55 sure if I can see Microsoft still hanging around.

47:58 Well, well, Microsoft, yes, they'll be fine.

48:01 Because Xbox. I mean being in the gaming.

48:03 Sphere in the gaming sphere, I think what they'll be reduced

48:07 down to is Game Pass and just trying to be a software

48:10 developer for it, but. Here's the thing, how can they

48:13 put Game Pass anywhere else besides computers like because

48:17 Sony has their what is it called?

48:21 Oh they're they're like gaming catalog.

48:24 I forgot what. The fuck?

48:25 It's called PlayStation Plus. I mean, that's their service,

48:28 but. But you know what I'm talking

48:31 about though. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

48:33 And if they, I mean, if they, if they haven't started already,

48:36 then they're going 'cause you know, that's how good Game Pass

48:40 was. Yeah, like, why not?

48:42 In terms of that, like Game Pass definitely does.

48:45 And like, Nintendo already has that with their like, Game Boy

48:49 catalog and their Game Cube catalog, their SNES or whatever.

48:53 64 catalogs? In a way, yes.

48:56 I would say probably out of all of them, Microsoft has been

48:58 probably the most successful with it.

49:00 Oh, of course. But that's the other.

49:05 Thing that's come at the cost of absorbing so many game

49:08 companies. That yes, and that's the one

49:10 thing with them absorbing Bethesda makes me worried

49:18 because what are they? Are they going to shut them down

49:21 eventually? Probably not, but.

49:26 I mean. I will be pissed.

49:28 They'll probably they'll I'll shut down 5 smaller studios that

49:32 the big name ones. That they'll re release Skyrim a

49:34 couple more times. Before they say fuck everything.

49:38 Getting a couple more Bill. And now that it's under the

49:41 Microsoft umbrella, it's even more in communication with their

49:45 tech. Jesus Christ.

49:47 But with getting back on topic. Please scare them on your

49:51 Fitbit. I do it.

49:55 Soon enough you'll see it in your eyeball.

49:58 Please. You get the lenses.

50:00 Yeah, get lenses for your. Eyes.

50:04 There we go, I just woke up. Did you get the skin graft

50:07 attachment and then you can feel the heat of the dragon flames?

50:10 And then you get the microphone attachment.

50:13 You. Actually have to like, scream at

50:15 the top of your lungs too. Billy, go to sleep.

50:18 Turn off your eyes. I swear.

50:21 What's? What's?

50:24 Jesus Christ, I think that actually is kind of a thing.

50:31 I swear on the 360 with Kinect. I think you could use your voice

50:37 with the Kinect in Skyrim. I think so.

50:39 OK, I was going to say, I mean, yeah you can, but I'm not sure

50:42 about Skyrim. Really I I swear I think I it

50:44 had that stupid little thing that says better with Kinect.

50:48 Dude, you just reminded me this is off topic, but there's a

50:51 there's a game, I think Mark, you know about this.

50:53 It's like sock em U.S. Navy Seals or something like

50:55 that on the PlayStation two yes and there was you could like

50:58 actually use a microphone with it yes, it didn't work for me,

51:00 but like, I guess you could do voice commands yes and be like

51:05 OK, everyone moved to foxtrot. Yep, OK, I'm like holy fucking

51:08 shit. I remember that, yes, It was

51:11 kind of cool. It was ahead of its time.

51:12 It was. I got it, just I loved playing

51:15 that game actually. Go back being back on topic with

51:23 Hansel Wars. Hansel.

51:29 Do we have anything else or do I need to take the reins?

51:34 I. Think I'm just looking for my

51:36 notes. I think we pretty much covered

51:38 everything I. Think all gaming giants should

51:40 just fucking die? Fuck.

51:43 Fuck let's see cuz for me I can I.

51:49 Can't. Fucking work.

51:51 Nope. Here we go.

51:56 OK, so. Kind of want to get us into the

51:58 finishing thoughts segment. Yeah.

52:01 Yeah. So I guess I could say or ask if

52:06 it the console words does fully go away, will it make a return

52:12 do you think in the future? I mean predictions.

52:16 I'm not sure you know, nobody has ever.

52:19 But like I could see sooner or later they will some someone

52:27 else like, you know, maybe Google will come back or

52:29 something, some other John. Stadium pick.

52:32 We were so wrong. But no, I'm just saying like,

52:35 maybe some, maybe if not Google, something else will like come in

52:38 and be like, hey, here's our innovation.

52:41 Yeah. If Xbox goes the way of the

52:43 dinosaur, then there's cuz, you know, there's only room for so

52:46 many people. That's why the Stadia died,

52:48 Yeah. Also was kind of, I don't want

52:51 to say it was ahead of the time. It was definitely.

52:53 Ahead of his time for sure. But it just it, yeah, it was not

52:56 ready. Yeah, but I mean, if Xbox does

53:01 like doesn't do any more consoles, I can see another

53:04 person rising up for consoles and then, you know, it comes

53:06 back between maybe maybe this new console and Nintendo for

53:11 some reason and leaving Sony alone.

53:14 Yeah, this, this definitely isn't a space where a vacuum

53:18 will stay for long. I mean, we can look back through

53:21 history in the gaming community with the the fall of Atari is a

53:26 good one, and then Sega as well. Yeah.

53:29 Like we, you saw new companies rose rise to film the vacuum and

53:34 to reenergize the space. Inevitably, we will see new

53:40 companies take the reins from at least Microsoft.

53:46 But if Sony does fall too, then it's just going to be somebody

53:51 else rising up to fill in the hardware void that that is, if

53:56 we're still in a world that allows us to have physical media

54:01 and like. If this does happen, full

54:04 predictions, I think that there will be someone that prioritizes

54:07 fun and innovation. Not like, oh look, pretty

54:09 things. I mean, that's normally how it

54:11 starts off is that you have to, you have to build a following

54:14 and you have to be. Of course it'll eventually reach

54:17 there, you know cycles happen, but.

54:19 That's just that's that's business.

54:22 Do you have your eyes? But I just think that like

54:24 having like a new player in the game with something new to the

54:28 table. Just to shake it up.

54:30 Yeah. We'll definitely be like, oh, we

54:33 should actually pay attention to this guy, Yeah.

54:35 Like I wonder how different things would be if Sega didn't

54:42 crash or like it did. Well, you probably would have

54:47 seen some form of stagnation. Again, like I, like I said

54:52 before this, like like you even put it out before it, it, it

54:57 occurs in cycles if you want. If you want another sort of

55:01 tangential example, look at what happened with Intel versus AMD

55:08 in the in the chip space. Intel was the top dog for so

55:13 long that they really got comfortable with where they

55:18 were. They just kept doing micro

55:21 improvements to their architectures.

55:24 And then AMD came out of nowhere with its Ryzen series, and now

55:31 we're seeing Intel's struggle to maintain market cap.

55:34 Yeah, the Ryzen CP us are. Very amazing, yeah.

55:41 For what they are cuz yeah AMD was not doing well in years and

55:47 years ago. Like they just, the Intel was

55:49 the big name of processors and then now, yeah, they got so

55:53 comfortable they started to kind of like make like you say, kind

55:58 of micro adjustments to things. Why spend money on research and

56:03 development when the competition isn't there?

56:05 Yeah. And then one and all of a sudden

56:07 it resurges. You're fighting for your life,

56:10 trying to innovate or die. I.

56:12 Mean it's the tortoise on the hare.

56:13 Like, yeah, once you are the hare, you're going to slow down.

56:16 Yeah, once you're in the lead, you're just going to get

56:19 comfortable with where you're going.

56:21 But I get that point with that being so comfortable they

56:25 started making mistakes. Yeah, you make mistakes.

56:28 Innovation dies. You're just kind of stuck right

56:31 where you are. And the one big mistake that I'm

56:34 referring to, and it's kind of bad, I think it's the 13th Gen.

56:42 or the 14th Gen., there is a issue that the, I think it's

56:50 like the I sevens, they are taking in more power than

56:55 they're supposed to. And what that does is it causes

56:58 a system instability which can cause your computer to shut

57:04 down, crash like and that's a processor issue.

57:11 And I believe my processor has that issue.

57:16 Now what they did to kind of help with this?

57:20 Now I'm not completely versed in this topic, but from my

57:24 understanding there were some motherboard updates that helped

57:30 stop the chip from exceeding it's voltage that it's supposed

57:34 to be. Doing yeah.

57:35 So they did a lot of firmware updates where the chip would

57:38 actually kind of monitor this. Yes.

57:40 And if it was detecting that it's performance was drawing too

57:43 much energy, they would tell the chip to kind of throttle things

57:47 and slow it down. Yeah.

57:48 So it would stop because you at that point, I don't think you

57:51 would notice anything. Yeah.

57:53 You yourself would not notice anything personally unless if

57:57 you're doing something that over clocked that over clocked it or

58:03 if you were doing like really intensive shit to your system.

58:08 And what's funny is so Minecraft took a Java, so kind of a side

58:15 thing, but this kind of correlates with the processors.

58:19 The you guys remember the like old console ports of the game

58:24 like the 360 and and the Xbox One and all that.

58:27 So Mark knows about this, Ethan, I don't know if I've told you,

58:30 but somebody actually did make a one for one recreation of the

58:36 console version of Minecraft that is up to date because, you

58:41 know, the console versions, not Bedrock.

58:45 That's different. The console versions from like

58:47 the 360 and Xbox One editions, you know they stopped getting

58:51 updates. Yeah, they, they just kind of

58:53 left ever left out of stasis because everything's going to

58:57 series XS and the PS-5 and went on.

59:01 And this is a literally a one to one recreation.

59:05 It's called Reconsole. It's a mod pack you can download

59:09 and literally it is like I said, one for one.

59:14 And The funny thing about it, I've had it crash a couple

59:18 times, and every single crash I get an error box pops up talking

59:24 about, hey, your processor might have that bug I was talking

59:29 about, you know? So it just made me think like,

59:35 what the fuck, you know, because this computer's new.

59:38 This is what kind of ticks me off.

59:40 The computer's fucking new, OK? It's expensive.

59:44 It ain't cheap. And it's like now I have a

59:46 processor that has an issue, which for the most part has been

59:49 resolved at this point, but it shouldn't have been a problem in

59:52 the 1st place. You guys should have been a

59:54 little bit more diligent on what the hell you're doing.

59:57 I get it. And I don't do that type of

59:59 work. It's a lot harder than I'm

1:00:01 saying. I have I have layman's knowledge

1:00:06 of it from just my degree trick and it is so far more advanced.

1:00:13 So it's it just it ticks you off when you get these new things

1:00:18 and it's like shit. Like I understand that the

1:00:23 position I'm in when I bought this computer because it has

1:00:26 everything new processor, DDR5 RAM, it's all new shit.

1:00:32 So it's going to have some issues, but it's just it's

1:00:38 annoying when a type of issue that I that I quote UN quote had

1:00:42 think I've dealt with, but I can't say for sure could have

1:00:46 been completely negated if diligence was a thing.

1:00:50 Yeah, you know, so now be completely honest.

1:00:53 When this computer dies, I'm just I'm gonna I'm gonna go over

1:00:56 to AMD. Yeah, I'm AMD is definitely

1:01:00 doing a lot more and like even their their thread Ripper

1:01:06 processor. I don't know if you've seen that

1:01:08 chip. Yeah, that fucking thing is

1:01:10 huge. I mean it's it's a server chip

1:01:13 from what you. Expect it's a server slash

1:01:15 workstation chip. Like, just the chip itself is

1:01:19 hilariously big and I love it. And the fucker's got 96 cores

1:01:24 and I'm like, that's why you're like 10 grand.

1:01:28 So I mean. And the way it's it goes into

1:01:32 it's socket, you slide it in and then you push it down, it's

1:01:36 like, man, holy shit, futuristic.

1:01:38 Yeah, it's, it's neat, Yeah. So it's, you know, it's it's

1:01:44 pretty cool. But with this topic, I said

1:01:47 council wars. This is what we have, what we

1:01:50 think. We'd love to hear any type of

1:01:55 comments that you might have from our viewers, you know,

1:02:00 what's your history with console wars, you know?

1:02:04 Yeah. Did you dabble in the arguments?

1:02:08 You know, did you? Just kind of let it slow or.

1:02:10 Did you kind of just let it go? Yeah.

1:02:14 And I guess I could throw this out there.

1:02:17 What side were you? Yeah, no, like just for the hell

1:02:21 of it. Sure, things will remain civil.

1:02:24 If it doesn't remain civil. I'm watching you every step of

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1:02:29 We will call you up on the episode.

1:02:30 I'll call you out when you don't put the toilet paper on the

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1:02:47 Thank you for what I'm done. What the fucker say right?

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1:03:02 OK. Any closing thoughts?

1:03:04 No, maybe. Yes.

1:03:06 I'm tired. EP Yeah.

1:03:10 We got to get some monster in him and you know.

1:03:16 Supercharging. Yes, all.

1:03:20 Right. I guess we're good.

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1:03:47 That was a little creepy. Gosh.

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1:03:52 I'm in your rooms. OK, hit that button.

1:03:58 Shut that door. If you know what I'm

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1:04:11 Bye guys, bye bye. Now I'm going to have to cut

1:04:18 that.