Modern games we think will be timeless

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0:17 Ethan, and these are my friends Mark and Brandon.

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0:33 fucking Brandon and I, We're at the Arabs of his mother gave me

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0:49 The fuck was that? Like what the hell?

0:51 It's a new idea we came up with. We're going to talk very fast

0:54 and then in order to drag out the video length, you just

0:57 slowed down the speed and it sounds normal.

0:59 So more work for me guys. Yeah.

1:02 That unison? Yeah, fuck you.

1:06 Why? Micro fair.

1:09 To be fair, that was pretty good.

1:11 Wasn't it? It was pretty good, yes.

1:12 He caught me off fucking guard. He.

1:15 Caught me off goddamn guard. Shit.

1:17 That's how we get the wrong motion.

1:22 OK, sure all. Right be anyway.

1:23 How have we been doing? What games?

1:25 What games have we been playing? Well, you see, we would have to

1:28 be up. There.

1:30 Wow, got to throw a fastball there.

1:35 Almost missed me with that joke. Sure, true memory loss.

1:41 I have that. Oh wow.

1:43 I feel so bad for you. What do you feel bad about?

1:53 Fuck I've been playing fuck ton of Minecraft and kind of

1:59 addicted to that lately. And Fasmo.

2:03 Yeah. Very, very, very much Fasmo.

2:08 We like to ghost hunt. That that new Grafton farmhouse

2:11 up to is something. Oh, is that like a new location

2:15 or something? No.

2:16 So it's a revamp of an old location.

2:18 Does it like look different? Is it all layout different?

2:21 Is it like harder? What?

2:23 So it's lay, its layout is mostly the same like the the how

2:28 big the house is general. Structure.

2:30 The general structure, right, But the inside completely

2:33 fucking screwed up. It's like an abandoned place.

2:36 Is there still the old one or is it just like?

2:39 It's completely new OK? Like there is no remnants of the

2:42 of the older map. Yeah, the the older map was

2:45 actually just kind of like a log cabin, just kind of put together

2:48 little dusty, you know? But look nice.

2:51 I'm kind of. Surprised that game.

2:52 You can go out and you can like rent out a fucking cabin

2:55 somewhere. That's pretty much what that,

2:56 yeah. Kind of surprised.

2:58 Now now it's like Courage the Cowardly dog eats the fucking

3:01 grass belt. Yeah, yeah, as soon as you get

3:04 out of the truck. It's like you can go somewhere

3:07 in southern Ohio, Ohio. You could probably find this

3:10 house somewhere. Jesus Christ, yeah, no, I'm, I'm

3:13 genuinely surprised this game still gets updates.

3:16 I don't know, like something about it just I don't know.

3:20 But I'm I'm glad it does though. Oh yeah, I mean, it's been

3:23 around for a while. Yeah.

3:25 Like, and they've they've done so much because there was

3:28 somebody that was streaming the new map when it came out and

3:34 they're like a partner with Kinetic Games, the developers

3:37 of. Yeah.

3:38 And they got a older build of the game to play and the

3:47 difference between what it used to look like and what it looks

3:51 like now is fucking insane. I mean like usually indie games

3:55 like these only have two or three years of updates, if that.

3:59 Yeah, this game. This game's been around for a.

4:01 Long time, yes it has. And it's one of, if not the

4:05 first, ghost hunting game. It it definitely it finally

4:10 actually has like some serious copycats coming up now, yes.

4:15 Yes. Although I wouldn't really call

4:17 them copycats because they're focusing on different elements

4:20 like the what's the one that's focusing a lot more on the

4:23 horror aspect? I.

4:24 Think it's the other side. Yeah, yeah.

4:27 That one is more like there's still the investigation.

4:30 Yeah, but it it's much more of a horror focus.

4:33 Yes. Whereas Faso's kind of like, oh,

4:36 it's a little spooky and it's it's got the sort of like the

4:41 party game sort of vibe to it. Yeah, it's more of a just kind

4:44 of like the horror game, but yeah, it's more.

4:50 It's. More party ish.

4:51 Yeah, at least sort of the feel. And more investigation.

4:56 Brush on it. Yeah, which is what's fun about

4:59 it. Like the investigation, figuring

5:00 out what is like, What's the ghost?

5:04 But I hear that, I, I heard that they're still working that that

5:08 they're pushing more towards developing sort of the ghost

5:11 interactions for the more horror aspect.

5:14 They want to make it more immersive with the ghost, which

5:18 I mean so far with their new update they've done that.

5:21 I mean, the fucking ghost now shuts the goddamn door and shit

5:25 or it'll like that. There's new sounds that you

5:28 might hear. The dolls, the doll, the

5:30 mannequins, the mannequins and the dolls that move.

5:34 The mannequins chase after you. The dolls.

5:36 Nope, I am not playing this game.

5:38 Yeah, that the fucking doll room.

5:41 The dolls talk. I'm good.

5:44 And they like ring around the rows.

5:46 I'm good. Like I'm like fuck off, I'm not

5:51 doing this. I did.

5:54 I didn't see it, but I did hear one of the mannequins move

5:57 because they creak because they have joints, right?

6:00 And I remember when I died, this is that one night me and Emma

6:04 just could not fucking win the same way.

6:06 Fucking like Oh my God, dude, I got fucking screwed over every

6:09 single time. But I was dead and I was still

6:14 in the house and I heard like the creaking and I go and look

6:19 in the room with all the mannequins and the one that was

6:22 on the table was like standing up somewhere else in the room

6:27 and I'm like, OK, fuck off with that shit.

6:32 No, I'm good. Because they they do the, the

6:34 weeping Willow type thing, yeah. Yeah.

6:38 So yeah, you could just turn around and see them.

6:40 I think the dolls do that too. Jesus fucking.

6:43 Christ, and the the level of detail on both the mannequins

6:46 and the dolls now, yeah, it's fucked up.

6:48 It's but the the Grafton map now.

6:53 I really like that they've added with certain weather patterns,

6:59 like if it's raining when you go inside, like the the roof and

7:02 shit's all fucked up so you got holes and whatnot and you can

7:05 hear like the rain coming in through the hole and whatnot.

7:08 You can see it dripping through the ceiling.

7:10 It's just more immersive. Jesus.

7:12 All right. Well, what about you, Mark?

7:14 What have you been playing? I've been playing a lot of Hell

7:17 Divers lately because of the Xbox thing.

7:20 We finally got Emma into it and she's been having a blast.

7:23 You've also gotten me into it. Yep, dragged you, dragged you

7:27 guys, and Jack could do it as well.

7:31 Just just a rejuvenating feeling of just wanting to play it

7:35 again. And then I've like, for me, I've

7:39 said this before on the podcast that I, that you guys talked

7:42 about how you're like playing peak and like, oh, I want to

7:44 play this. And I'm like, Oh no, I don't

7:46 think that game would be for me when I started playing it and

7:49 100% of it for now. I know there's going to be more

7:53 updates. More achievements in the future.

7:55 But I know pretty much why. The games I play is just an ever

7:59 like ever constant slowly rotating revolving door.

8:05 Once I get all the achievements, I move on to something else.

8:09 With Peak, it's got to sit so out of fun.

8:12 It is. It's just funny when you just

8:14 jump off the fucking Cliff and just rag doll.

8:20 Give me a strong. Here or like the the Kirby just

8:23 started. Yeah.

8:25 Dude, the one that you fell or just give me your strong hand.

8:28 Oh no, then you fell and you hit the bottom and just a poof of

8:32 clout. That was that was like.

8:34 The the clouds rolling Yeah, like the the.

8:36 Dust cloud effect when he hits a crater impact on the ground.

8:41 It was just so fucking funny you.

8:43 Really had a Looney Tunes moment.

8:49 It was so fucked up, I tried so hard.

8:53 You did, and just that whole round, we're all fucked.

8:55 This fuck each other. Fuck you.

8:57 Fuck. You and then we get through all

8:58 fine. Yeah, don't stand by that.

9:03 But we didn't even take it seriously.

9:05 It's all that's fine. We're like, how is this?

9:07 Working, Yeah. That we were, we were all just

9:09 like, we all put like the angry face on and we were all like

9:13 being angry at each other and just in general like, you know,

9:16 jokingly and like being angry assholes.

9:18 Yeah. And we had, I think our fastest

9:21 like, you know, in a group PB of getting through shore.

9:26 That was fast. We didn't even skip a beat.

9:30 We were just going like damn, fuck, we got to pass this fast.

9:34 All right, on to the next thing. Speaking of moving on to the

9:38 next thing, if you guys can make out what I said earlier, you

9:41 might be able to guess the topic.

9:42 But modern games we think will be timeless.

9:46 So this is kind of more of like a guessing game topic, more so

9:52 like, hey, like, you know, in a couple years we'll look back on

9:54 this and see if we got anything right, if we got anything wrong.

9:57 But first, before you really get into the games, I want to see

9:59 what you guys think. Like you're kind of definition

10:02 of timeless. I guess with me timeless being

10:09 that even has something ages, so like let's say a video game for

10:13 instance, like game ages, it's still so much fun to play.

10:20 Like it doesn't matter how old it is.

10:23 It's like a fine wine. Yeah, pretty much.

10:25 Right. Like for example, let's say

10:27 Castle Crashers. Yes, because that came a 17 year

10:30 old. Oh, I got an update.

10:32 We're getting an update. And that's still.

10:35 And it's 17 years old and. It's a great game.

10:37 Or if you really want to go back, look at the the original

10:40 Halo trilogy, especially Halo 3. Halo 3 holds up extremely well.

10:50 I'm not sure. About Halo one like I've tried

10:52 and I'm like. Halo 1 and 2, they, they, they

10:54 still kind of they're still good story wise, but gameplay it kind

11:00 of is a bit different than now, but Halo 3 still feels

11:05 completely natural to play because.

11:07 Like for me it's like what? Like, what about timeless?

11:10 Like, yeah, it's like you can go back to it, but what about it?

11:13 Like, 'cause I think it's like, it's a mix of gameplay.

11:18 Like, does the game feel smooth? Or does it like, does the

11:23 controls hold up the visual style?

11:26 Does that still hold up 'cause like you can, you can go back to

11:30 like the NES area and be like, Oh my God, this game's garbage.

11:33 Depending on the game. Yeah.

11:36 Visually wise. Personally, for me, I want to

11:38 say it it it's a game that's going to define a time and a new

11:45 way of thinking for gaming and something that's got a fan base

11:52 that seems like it's going to last for many, many years.

11:58 And that's kind of the idea I was going with, yeah.

12:01 Yeah. So it's something that you're

12:03 going to look back to. You can still pick up and you

12:06 can still play it. And it's still it, it's a

12:10 snapshot of a certain time. And it it, it, it's, it's one of

12:16 those games that you just won't forget about something that's

12:20 going to be on your mind. Thinking back to all, what were

12:24 some of the best moments that I've had?

12:27 Yes. Right.

12:28 And honestly, I was actually talking to Nick, one of, you

12:32 know, one of my friends, and he said he added this.

12:36 I even think about it is does it have an active modern community

12:39 at least for like more modern Oh.

12:41 Yeah, yeah. 'Cause like, there wasn't

12:43 anything like that. I mean, yeah, there was ROM

12:46 hacks, but that's completely. Different that wasn't as

12:49 accessible. Right.

12:51 Nowadays where it's just easier to get into.

12:54 That's. All these four months.

12:56 Yeah, Yeah. That was a very good and that

12:57 was just today too. Yeah.

13:00 Yeah, 'cause nowadays with modding it's not just Wild West.

13:03 Oh you got to download a shady program and hope it works just

13:07 to give you like ransomware or some shit.

13:10 Even though I did that, that was OK.

13:12 So I got a side tangent. I did that with Choo Choo

13:15 Charles. So I get the nightmare

13:17 achievement. Brandon kind of saw me doing

13:19 this and there was this thing that popped up twice.

13:21 I'm like, OK, there's something weird going on with it, 'cause I

13:23 didn't have this and McAfee just was on my computer.

13:28 I'm like, oh God, no, get rid of this now, Yeah.

13:33 I don't have McAfee. What the fuck?

13:36 You know, just just. Hey, look, McAfee, I'm like,

13:39 God, no, that shit's a fire. Yeah, Nope.

13:42 Nope. Nope.

13:43 Nope. Nope.

13:43 Nope. Packing up, packing up, packing

13:46 up. I'll just do it the hard way.

13:50 Nope. No, I did beat it, but like that

13:52 was just on my computer. And the second time that popped

13:54 up, I'm like, hold on. I was in a call with my

13:56 girlfriend. I'm like, hold on, give me a

13:57 moment. I have to get rid of something.

14:00 Yeah, Jesus, Yeah. Jesus fucking Christ.

14:03 I forgot that even exists. Yep.

14:05 You should. McAfee is.

14:07 Fucking you should forget it exists.

14:08 I forgot it exists. Yeah, I want to have my blissful

14:11 ignorance of not knowing. It doesn't do it.

14:14 No, it literally does not do shit.

14:16 Anyway, ticked your cramp. Anyway, getting getting back on

14:19 topic, but yeah, like that's like that's kind of we've kind

14:23 of gone over what we think is timeless is and so let's

14:27 ransomware time. Yep, Yep, McAfee is exactly what

14:30 makes games timeless. Pop ups.

14:36 Anyway, my first game we've talked about a little bit about

14:39 make way. It's just something about having

14:42 a party game, whether it's online or offline, like, you

14:46 know, Co-op or, sorry, couch Co-op or God forbid, land back

14:50 when that was a thing. Wayne's that awful this is.

14:55 Not as common anymore. Right, that's what like, but

14:58 yeah, just like just these kind of style party games, but

15:01 especially make way 'cause as of right now, I don't think there's

15:05 I mean there might be, but I don't think there's any other

15:07 racing party games like this. I mean, there's kind of ultimate

15:15 Chicken Horse, which is kind of based off of at least I've like

15:18 at least got influence off of, but it's unique enough to be

15:23 just genuine fun because it's not like a go through a thing

15:27 and be done. It's like, no, you're racing to

15:29 this whole track from start to finish.

15:32 With a bunch of shit everywhere that screws you over.

15:35 And makes you laugh and fall on the floor and puke like the.

15:38 Fan. Fan Land.

15:44 God, that fuck. Barely.

15:45 The controls are solid, the the art style is amazing.

15:50 Sounds are good. Yeah, I I like the.

15:53 It plays really crisp too. Yes it does.

15:56 Like the the like the controls are fine.

15:58 It's just yeah, used to a different vehicle.

16:01 So that's the only. That's the only issue.

16:03 Yeah, 'cause you can go from from from pretty small vehicles

16:05 to genuine monster trucks or even airplanes.

16:08 And they all have kind of a different feel in how to like

16:12 how slippery they are, how fast they are and the different

16:17 horns. I feel like that's not a Mandela

16:20 effect but like just like a. Kind of like a nothing beats the

16:23 mammoth. Horde like a skiso effect.

16:24 I don't know like where where you think it's changing, but I I

16:27 think all the cars change control the same.

16:29 I think so, it's just that the size changes well.

16:35 Yeah, yeah. So that that could be a problem.

16:39 Oh no. If on though.

16:41 No, yeah. Oh yeah.

16:42 Yeah, no, I mean like even with the basic stuff you can make

16:47 some pretty funny. Stuff out of it that's.

16:49 How you get started man, The basic shit's funny as shit and

16:52 with like all the. Different things you can change

16:53 about it, like if you don't like a certain item, delete it all

16:57 together. Just just full of reduce, never

16:59 have to deal with it again. Yeah, or God for me to remove

17:01 the bulldozers. Nothing but fans.

17:04 Or you can just skip checkpoints and fuck everyone over.

17:08 God that sucks man. I've been so disappointed ever

17:12 since you guys have pulled it out and I'm like, but why?

17:15 It's really funny when the camera flips then flips back, so

17:20 just everyone because someone went ahead on the track but the

17:23 camera flipped and then something happened to where the

17:26 camera flipped back and just everyone dies because everyone's

17:29 off camera. It's.

17:31 So dumb. Fucking funny.

17:33 It's so fucking funny. It's just the the camera just

17:36 like snaps its neck, man, Like it.

17:38 It's just, it's, it's cut off. It's hilarious.

17:40 Or God forbid, like the build height is so tall or you just

17:43 drop off and like just it just keeps going, keeps going.

17:52 Then it finally explodes. Like why'd that take so long?

17:55 But no, just this game. This game though, is just, I

17:58 feel like it. It'll just be timeless, like

18:02 everything about I can't. I can't think of anything I can

18:04 make it do to make it better. It's pretty much perfect the way

18:09 it is. Like if you were to add more

18:10 obstacles, I feel like it's just more so like if it fits but also

18:13 less is more. Yeah.

18:15 In this case I. Want to see some drops?

18:19 Just doors that open. Just wish.

18:21 No, I, I I want to see like drastic elevation change

18:25 likewise. You know what?

18:27 SpongeBob with the with rock bod and just sure face Cliff.

18:32 You know what I mean? They do have the elevator that

18:34 you have to stop. It goes off because you drop off

18:37 it. Yep.

18:39 How many times do you do that before you finally, you know,

18:41 decide? OK, maybe we should just.

18:42 Stop. Probably four or two too.

18:44 Many times for did actually become OK.

18:46 This is kind of sad. Like we did.

18:49 And God forbid you have the rocket or you put a booster in

18:52 front of it, so you just. Off it.

18:54 Oh my God, I don't know about that.

18:58 Well, yeah. Well, anyway, we, we kind of

19:01 talked about this games, you know, past episodes and all

19:04 that. You know what it is?

19:05 Yeah. Right, if you listen to the

19:07 episodes. But what about you guys?

19:09 What do you think I've what kind of games?

19:11 I've got 1 go. For.

19:13 It I want to say Factorio because that's a game that has

19:19 honestly defined the factory builders genre, Modern factory

19:24 builders. Are you talking like putting

19:26 pieces together like? So think of like satisfactory,

19:33 right? But it's top down and your

19:35 resources aren't infinite and you have to defend yourself from

19:39 bugs. Gotcha.

19:40 Yeah. That's what my brothers played a

19:42 lot of, yeah. Like like like satisfactory.

19:45 Sort of like a a toned down love letter to the factory genre, but

19:51 Factorio defines. The.

19:55 The modern factory SIM and it it is brutal in the fact that you

20:01 really had to focus on your efficiency because.

20:07 Resources are not infinite. You have to constantly expand

20:12 and as you kill enemies they get stronger and much more

20:16 aggressive and the hordes become larger.

20:21 It it is a it it it is so brutally efficient and just

20:28 aggressive that it it it's fun and infuriating at the same

20:35 time. And it's funny, my brother asked

20:37 me about that because when we were playing Satisfactory, he's

20:42 like, I'm kind of surprised you guys haven't just been playing

20:46 Factoria. He's like he's, if I remember

20:48 correctly, he said it was easier, but I don't think that's

20:54 the case here. You might want to start with

20:56 Satisfactory. Yeah.

20:58 Yeah, if you're getting into the factory SIM space, start with

21:01 Satisfactory because Satisfactory is like, OK, you'll

21:06 have time to actually kind of figure out.

21:08 Yeah, you have basic. Concepts because you don't have

21:11 a time limit, you don't have the resources are infinite.

21:15 You have time to kind of learn. There's only so many threats.

21:19 Yeah, there's only so many threats and they don't actively

21:21 seek your route. They don't actively destroy your

21:24 stuff too. Which is nice.

21:26 Which is nice, It gives you a way to kind of visually see how

21:33 different engineering concepts kind of fit together.

21:37 Factorio's like, all right, if you don't, if you don't figure

21:41 this out, you're, you're going to lose everything in your runs

21:44 over. Yeah, yeah.

21:46 I think I'll just stick with satisfying.

21:48 That best? Oh, but but.

21:50 The the added weight to the challenge and just.

21:54 And some people like that. Oh yeah, I, I enjoy it.

21:57 It's great. But yeah.

22:00 But again, it's just that intensity is what defines the

22:04 game, and then just the way that it sets itself off, it really

22:11 just defines the genre. Yeah, yeah, very good.

22:17 Yeah. I mean, that's not a bad pick

22:20 honestly, cuz I didn't even think about that.

22:22 It was, you know, kind of one of the first.

22:26 Yeah, well, it's not one of the first, right, But it has the

22:29 case. Where it's a modern.

22:31 It's modern, and it really does define a lot of the modern

22:35 tropes in Factory games. I wonder how you would like.

22:40 I think it's like Creep Factory 3 or 4 or something like that.

22:45 I'd have to look it up, but it's where you have to like you have

22:49 one, you have like a couple spots on the map or something

22:52 and you have to like, pretty much get rid of the the purple

22:55 creep that's coming in. Yeah.

22:57 And like there's like thinner and thicker.

22:59 Like it's kind of like fog or so.

23:01 Yeah. But anyway, what about you,

23:06 Brandon? So what I might think is I'll

23:15 start with Sonic Mania. I think that I think would be

23:18 timeless. I mean, one, it's a 2D Sonic

23:22 game. I mean that.

23:23 That's a given. That's that's a given, yeah.

23:29 Like the the the way Sonic Mania looks like it's graphics and

23:35 everything, like everything pops like it should.

23:39 It really does like it's. It's colorful.

23:42 It's very, very. Cartoony.

23:44 Yeah. It's, it's what, it's kind of

23:46 like what Sonic is meant to be like, a very fast-paced,

23:50 colorful, just like, you know. Great music, right?

23:53 Music Adventure. Yeah, yeah, no, definitely.

23:59 Like it's it's a shame that we didn't get Sonic Mania 2 because

24:06 that was a like it was in like production and what not like

24:10 they were, they started making Sonic Mania 2, but then that

24:15 turned into what we got Sonic Superstars, which again, not a

24:23 bad game, just poor decision making some things.

24:28 But Sonic Mania, that was definitely a love letter to

24:35 really like when I grew up with Sonic.

24:39 Just kind of learned the old classic games, yeah.

24:41 Yeah, and the fact that it was made by people in the Sonic

24:46 community who were then brought in from what, Sega?

24:52 So it's kind of more so like a mod than an actual game, but it

24:56 still is an actual Sonic game. It's kind of got a.

25:00 More of a fan game. That's what I meant, yeah.

25:03 Yeah. Which then became a actual Sega

25:07 game. I was thinking the Miko mod

25:09 because that's what I saw Jack play.

25:12 Yeah, the miko. Oh God.

25:14 That's another story. Yeah, it's funny.

25:19 And the so the thing with Sonic Mania, most of the levels were

25:23 kind of brought back from other games.

25:27 I'm talking like level design. Like literally like Green Hill

25:31 Zone. Where you're talking like just

25:32 the area, like the location itself.

25:36 Like literally ripped from like like older games.

25:40 So like Green Hill was a thing. Chemical plant.

25:43 Like it was fine that most of the levels were just kind of

25:47 brought back with some like there are some subtle

25:52 differences in the levels, but their majority of the time they

25:55 were the same. But then the original levels in

25:59 the game Studioopolis Mirage Saloon.

26:04 Studioopolis. Like.

26:06 Level looks so confusing. It does, but it's not.

26:11 It's the original levels and the music of the game.

26:16 Fuck me. Oh my God, it's so good.

26:19 T Lopes hit it out of the fucking park.

26:21 Every single fucking level. Even the ones that were brought

26:24 back have T Lopes doing all of them.

26:28 And I didn't think you can make some of these these levels music

26:33 better than what they were really like, he added.

26:37 Like, like Green Hill Zone, everybody knows what that sounds

26:39 like, right? It sounds exactly the same in

26:42 Sonic Mania, but with T Lopes kind of finesse there.

26:45 Like he put his little flavor in there for it, but it works.

26:50 And music can also, you know, also make a game timeless.

26:54 But like, it's more so like, just like an us, like a cherry

26:56 on top, like some sprinkles. Yeah.

27:01 And then the the special stages, how you get the chaos emeralds.

27:06 I think they did really well with those.

27:08 You literally go it's like a, a 3D like it looks like off the

27:14 fucking Saturn, like the Sega Saturn that like those like

27:18 Polygon kind of looking models, like now these models have more

27:25 polygons than what the Saturn could handle.

27:27 But but that that's what I think they were going for.

27:30 And you're like chasing after this UFO and you try to like

27:35 speed yourself up with these like little orbs that you

27:36 collect. So that those were fun.

27:42 Some of them were hard, but you you have to play some of these a

27:47 few times to understand where to go because you want to try to

27:51 cut off the the UFO so you can grab the emerald because as soon

27:58 as you get close enough, Sonic will just spit dash into it.

28:01 But you have to get yourself close enough.

28:04 And there's, you know, pits that you could fall into that you

28:06 know, you do that you lose. And to access these special

28:11 stages are the big giant ring from like Sonic and Knuckles and

28:16 Sonic 3. And there was one thing that

28:21 they brought back that I didn't think I was going to like, but I

28:26 kind of do now. There are, I don't want to call

28:31 them special stages, but they're kind of the blue spheres from

28:36 Sonic 3. Those I did not like as a kid.

28:46 Those levels were what you would play through in order to get the

28:51 Chaos Emerald, and they're kind of like you're on this, like it

28:56 kind of looks 3D ish, but it's not.

28:59 Yeah, but in you collect the amount of blue spheres that you

29:03 have to collect in order to get the emerald, and you have to try

29:07 to not hit the red ones. That will then end your running

29:10 it. Yeah, when I was playing the

29:17 Sonic Origins, which controversial and some people

29:21 don't like Sonic Origins just because of some of the things

29:25 that Sega did with it. But I think it's for what it is.

29:29 I think it's a good collection and it has its issues, but they

29:34 fired out a lot of things. Yeah, with it.

29:39 But those that's where I really started playing the the blue

29:44 spheres and I got all the emeralds and what you can do

29:49 with that. Then there are now I think like

29:52 additional 7 more emeralds to get.

29:57 If you choose to do this, there are 7 more levels with the Super

30:04 emeralds. You have the regular emeralds

30:06 and then you have the Super emeralds, which those stages are

30:14 a lot harder. This just sounds like.

30:17 So good. No, this just sounds like a

30:20 kindergarten logic or playground logic.

30:22 Which is I have the chaos thermals, I have the Super chaos

30:25 thermals. Yeah, pretty much.

30:26 Yeah, and this is the the the power creep.

30:31 Yeah, yeah. The thing is with OH.

30:34 We're gonna go Super Saiyan. Oh, now everybody and like, even

30:38 the kids can go Super Saiyan. Well, now we're gonna go Super

30:41 Ultra Super Saiyan. I'm gonna, I'm getting there

30:44 with that because there's not. There's she's this fucking

30:50 Christ, Mark. Am I going to have to add reverb

30:56 on that shit? Yeah, yeah, you know you're

30:58 going. To my poor, poor listeners.

31:03 So they're also reverb is left. Too.

31:05 I think it's. Pretty funny, Christ.

31:08 I just had a neck go to mine. Perfect.

31:15 But if you get the if you choose to do the Super Emeralds, you do

31:21 lose the ability to be supersonic because obviously you

31:24 just gave the emeralds away. Yeah.

31:26 But if you get through the Super Emeralds, you could be

31:30 hypersonic, which has only been in Sonic Three.

31:34 OK. And that superform, He's much

31:39 faster than Supersonic. He also changes colors rapidly.

31:45 Looks like a damn seizure. Oh boy.

31:47 And. The warnings are coming in.

31:50 Yep, and you can have him dash like forward and whatever is on

31:57 screen gets naked so you can break the game with that.

32:03 Oh Jesus. But yeah, that's the only time

32:05 you see it. But the special stages for these

32:08 super emeralds are they're harder, but they're different.

32:13 You don't just go and like, I mean, you collect the the blue

32:16 sphere still, but you're not always going in a straight line.

32:19 You might be bouncing on different pads that like bounce

32:24 you around so they can go get spheres on this side and you

32:28 bounce over here like it's all over the place.

32:31 That one in particular took a while.

32:33 I think that was the last one, because the way that Sonic

32:37 turns, at least in the Genesis, there's kind of a second delay,

32:43 so you have to kind of compensate for that, which it

32:45 sounds hard, but it's not. Oh yeah, once you get used to

32:48 it. Yeah, and also the stages will

32:53 Sonic will get faster the longer you're in the stage, which is to

32:57 tell you you need to get it done quickly, because Sonic then

33:01 becomes so fucking fast that it's really hard to control him.

33:08 Interesting. And then the music also gets

33:10 faster, which then causes you anxiety because you're going

33:13 faster. But now Mania, getting back with

33:19 this, with Mania, they, like I said, there's a love letter to

33:22 people that grew up with Sonic in the 90s and really grew up

33:29 with Sonic just in general. Because there, I'm not going to

33:32 say much about this, but there are characters that show up in

33:36 Mania Plus, which is a DLC that we haven't seen since the 90s,

33:45 and they weren't in a main game, they were in an arcade.

33:48 Oh. Wow.

33:49 Oh really? And these two characters have

33:50 their own styles of play, Like they're oh, that's cool, one can

33:56 fly. So it's kind of like.

33:57 And one can like slam down so. It's kind of like Sonic 3 where

34:00 you have like what, Sonic and Shadow, Tales of Mega Man and.

34:06 So, well, Sonic, I think you'd think it's Sonic Adventure.

34:11 You know, you're right, you're right, you're right.

34:13 Kind of like maybe I shouldn't say different play styles, but

34:16 the the way that they they control, that's what I'm.

34:19 Trying to say. Control, they're different, but

34:23 they're the same. Like they play like Sonic and

34:27 whatnot, but have their own abilities.

34:29 Kind of like with Knuckles. You can, you know, fly kind of

34:32 thing or glide. But it's a great game.

34:38 I mean, shit, it's going to be actually, I think it's today.

34:43 Yeah, today. And while we're recording this,

34:46 August 29th, Sonic Mania is now 8 years old.

34:50 She's wow. I don't know was that old?

34:54 Yeah, 2017. Wow.

34:56 Yeah. Fuck.

34:58 Happy birthday, Sonic Mania. What a great fucking game.

35:02 Man, I was so goddamn hype for this shit.

35:05 Yeah, it's Sonic Mania. What's to go next?

35:09 I will. I'll keep the I'll keep the

35:11 rotation going. So my next one, this is gonna be

35:15 more so a speculation. Well, obviously modern games we

35:19 think will be timeless, but way more speculation than I think

35:22 any other game on this list. I don't think it's out yet.

35:26 Slay the Spire 2 Now I've played the first Slay the Spire and I,

35:32 you know, being around the subreddit and whatnot, I'm sure

35:35 that the game used to be way more popular back when you know,

35:37 like in the first couple years of release, but it's still a

35:40 really popular game and like there's more and more people

35:45 playing it every day. There's still just people

35:48 playing the first one and just there's only four characters,

35:53 not counting modded characters, but I think they're still an

35:56 active modern community. I haven't really looked into it

35:58 too well, but you have the Ironclad, which is like just

36:02 straight damage or he has a block build.

36:04 He sacrifices his life. There's the Silent, which is

36:08 like kind of a glass cannon. I think, you know, has the

36:13 really main gimmick I can remember is poison.

36:15 You also have Defect, which has, you know, this whole mechanic

36:18 with orbs, He has like 4 different orbs he can conjure up

36:22 that used to do different things.

36:24 And then the last one, Watcher, which I think was added later

36:27 on, but she's obviously the most broken.

36:30 However, returning to Slayer, the Spire 2 is only ironclad and

36:33 silent. My boy Defect ain't there no

36:35 more, which I'm kind of sad about, yeah.

36:40 Tragic. I think you have his finger over

36:43 here kind. Of a bold claim to be thinking

36:46 that it's going to be timeless if you haven't played it yet

36:48 though. But that's the thing, we think

36:50 we'll be timeless. We think too.

36:52 Good point, good points. But the reason is because like

36:54 the first one was so good and then there was also a board game

36:58 that came out recently for Slay the Spire too.

37:00 Yes, yeah. And that was also immensely

37:03 popular. OK.

37:05 And it's just like. There's good signs all around.

37:09 Yes, yes, there is, and just like I have, I'm not sure what

37:15 other games this team has made, if at all any, but like I have

37:20 yet to see a bad thing from them and like the way they balance

37:23 their games, like even the board game.

37:26 It's it's the first way to the Spire is, oh, a single player

37:32 experience. Yep.

37:33 The board game is a one to four player experience, yeah, which

37:37 is really interesting considering that video game is

37:39 only A1 player. Are they putting multiplayer in

37:42 the second game or no I. Have no idea, I can't remember,

37:46 it's been a while since I looked into anything.

37:47 But like just the gameplay loop of the first one.

37:50 And like you can like there's 2021 difficulties technically

37:56 because there's Ascension 0 and then Ascension 1 to one through

38:00 20. Yeah, but there's just like the

38:05 art style is good, like the, the, the art card is good and

38:08 you can even turn on beta art, which is really funny.

38:11 But that's besides the point. The gameplay mechanics is really

38:14 good. It's it's solid.

38:15 It's fleshed out for every character, even like all the

38:21 characters designs are unique. Plus they have like a main

38:24 color. So you can kind of really see

38:25 which one is which just by looking at them.

38:28 Yeah. But going to the second one,

38:30 like I'm not sure what's going to be in it again, if it's even

38:33 out. I can't remember.

38:35 But just like I love the first one, I don't think it got too

38:41 far into the ascensions. But if if the first one is

38:45 anything to go off of, I think the second one will be even

38:48 better. And I think I even saw some

38:50 gameplay footage like in the first one, like the the

38:53 characters. It's just like kind of moving

38:55 PNG, but like they just like move forward just a little bit.

38:58 No, there's like an actual attacking animation.

39:01 Not that it matters, but in the second version, like Ironclad

39:05 will actually swing his sword a little bit instead of just

39:07 moving forward like 2 inches or an inch.

39:12 So they're definitely doing things to like improve even just

39:16 the visual aspect as well. Just some nice quality of life

39:21 stuff. Right.

39:22 Yeah. And the guy, there's not much I

39:25 can really say 'cause I haven't kept up on it.

39:27 But like again, from the last one I saw it, it looks really

39:30 good. I mean it's a short one, but you

39:36 know, I, I think it will be timeless.

39:38 Like just the amount of people 'cause going again, going back

39:41 to the first one, but the different Monster Train, Monster

39:45 2, Monster Train 2 came out and that has like a dedicated

39:49 community. And Oh my God, like people have

39:51 just like been firing on all the cylinders about the game being

39:54 like, oh, like here's here's all the, here's the best units,

39:57 here's the here's the best factions, you're the best

40:02 faction combinations. Like here's what's good to put

40:04 on them and all that kind of stuff.

40:06 I cannot wait to see all the news about a a Silk song.

40:11 Oh yeah. Yeah.

40:13 Because that that's going to be big when it finally releases.

40:17 Yes. That comes out in under a week

40:20 as of this recording. Wow.

40:23 Yeah, September 4th. Fuck, holy shit.

40:26 Yeah, I should really try out Hello Night at this point.

40:31 I've tried. It.

40:32 I need to see the appeal for myself because I I've I've only

40:39 really heard praise from it and I understand it's a really hard

40:43 game. Have you played a Hori?

40:45 No. Oh, really?

40:46 OK, 'cause I played, I played Ori and the Blind Forest.

40:49 That was a good game. I've tried to play Will of the

40:52 Wisp, but it felt more like Hollonite than anything.

40:55 And I've tried a Hollonite and I've got to like the the green

40:58 area. Or you fight, what's your name?

41:03 It's the protagonist of Silk Song Hornet.

41:06 Or you fight Hornet. And it's just, I don't know, the

41:09 game didn't really appeal to me. I like, I'm sure at some point

41:12 someday, I'm not saying I will but or when, but someday I will

41:17 go back to Hollow Knight and actually give it an actual try.

41:21 Yeah. But I also want to go back to

41:24 Ori and the Will of the Wisp because I tried that and I just,

41:27 I just couldn't get into it either.

41:28 I'm not sure if I like my headspace changed about what are

41:33 those kind of games? Metrovenias.

41:38 Metrovenias are the ones where you go back after you get

41:41 abilities. That's kind of how, because you

41:44 go to area to area be like, oh, I can't be here yet.

41:47 So you. Kind of, yeah, There, there's a

41:49 lot of backtracking. You can go back to original

41:53 areas that you've been through when you have new abilities to

41:56 unlock everything. I think there's some stuff like

41:59 that, but that's more so like you don't.

42:00 Have to I, I, I when I think of Hello Night, coming from

42:05 somebody who's not played it it, it looks much more like a very

42:08 skill based platformer. Not platformer like the

42:14 traditional sets, but platformer where you have combat based

42:18 mechanics that you need to tie into your movement.

42:23 I don't really need a time to your movement.

42:26 I guess so, but it's just more so about, yes, there's

42:30 platforming, yes, there are enemies to fight.

42:32 You need to figure out how to fight these enemies, like

42:34 because each, each, each enemy is going to be mechanically

42:36 different. Yeah, Yep.

42:37 Plus I think there's like 30 or 40 bosses in the game.

42:40 Fuck, jeez, I'm not. Sure, I'm not sure if that

42:43 includes DLCI. Will say that I think there's

42:45 DLC for the game. I believe there should be DLC

42:48 for. It man, there's a good amount of

42:50 bosses and yeah, no, I I just I just think slay the Spire too.

42:54 Going back to that is will be timeless just going based off

42:57 the first one if that game is so it's kind of.

43:01 And it's still growing in popularity.

43:04 It kind of defined in a sense deck building rogue likes.

43:11 It would definitely wasn't the first, but it it's one of the

43:16 biggest. Yeah.

43:19 But yeah, that's that's that. That's all I have to say about

43:24 that. Yep.

43:26 Not much more to go off of. Sorry, not much more to go off

43:30 of. I guess it's back to me.

43:34 Yeah, back to you, you know. Oh boy, what do I want to talk

43:38 about? You know what?

43:39 Let's talk about Deep Rock. Oh, boy.

43:42 Yeah, that's a good game. Rock Galactic.

43:44 That's a fun game. Oh my God.

43:47 I need to play more of it. Oh, it's so much fun.

43:50 I have it on Steam. As do I, but they don't.

43:57 No, I want to have it on Xbox. I also have it on Xbox.

44:01 I have it on both but I have more progression on Xbox.

44:04 Kind of surprised. Isn't that cross-platform?

44:06 Yeah, you, you would think it should be at this at this rate.

44:12 Maybe, and I can see why like I've I've seen like how the

44:14 developers like act with cosmetics like like mainly

44:18 because people are like, why aren't you had female, female

44:20 dwarves like, well, with all the cosmetics we're making, we're

44:22 going to have to add another whatever plus like another

44:27 character model plus, you know, fitting all those assets onto

44:31 that character model. But it's.

44:32 Just going to be more work and yeah.

44:34 I mean cross play isn't that in comparison to how many

44:38 cosmetics? Are in Deep Rock.

44:39 It's not that bad. Yeah, it's not.

44:41 But but still, they just have other things that they want to.

44:44 Focus on. Oh yeah, that's perfectly fine,

44:46 yeah. So there's knowing the team.

44:48 Oh yeah, yes. Which is perfectly fine making

44:51 the. Made a great game and are still

44:55 making it better. But yeah, I've, I've played this

44:58 game and like I'm, I'm kind of taking over your topic, but I've

45:00 played this game. I've played this game since

45:02 pretty much the very beginning, since like early access back on

45:07 Xbox. This is back before a lot of

45:09 people even played the game. I remember playing way back

45:14 before they even announced that they were doing the season best

45:17 things. Dude, I do too.

45:19 I remember, you know, like there's that planetary or

45:21 whatever, like that glowing planet in the middle.

45:24 Yeah, that was off to the side. They moved a whole planet,

45:30 that's how far back I remember. But no, like, yes, but also like

45:35 I just, oh, just the different memories I have.

45:37 But like there's also, there was also a secret in in vents that

45:40 aren't there anymore. Yeah.

45:42 Where you had to use the anti gravity button though, one that

45:44 lifts you up. Yeah.

45:45 And you, you had to use that to lift up into the vents and then

45:48 walk around a bit to actually stay up there.

45:49 And then you could walk around and be like, oh, congratulations

45:51 on finding this achievement or finding this secret, Rob.

45:55 It's like Rob, something like that.

46:00 But you know, I also remember that they removed that for some

46:02 reason, which, whatever. But yeah, no, I just, I just

46:06 remember just this game, I think way back then when there was

46:11 only like 6 enemy types, there was the grunts, there was

46:13 actually veterans instead of the elites or the awkward ones.

46:18 That was different. There was only one kind of

46:22 dreadnought, which is the big boss ones instead of three

46:25 different types. And even then the shell, like

46:28 how it regenerates now, it didn't used to regenerate.

46:32 It was just a one big old bar of shell.

46:35 And once you broke that shell, it was just there.

46:38 Now there's the health bar. Good luck.

46:41 Yeah. And there was like, I think only

46:45 two weapon types per character. I mean, this is more so

46:48 memories, but like, like I'm getting to it.

46:50 Like, this is just the fact that I played it for so long and like

46:56 the the gameplay loop is just so similar, but it's just so

47:02 satisfying to go through all these, yeah.

47:05 That it's it's art styles pretty unique to that type of game too,

47:12 because it's it's nice to see the it's 3D models, but they're

47:17 kind of roughish and it fits with the sort of like the voxel

47:23 world aesthetic as well, or everything kind of has harder

47:27 lines. It is a little bit more blocky,

47:30 like polygonal. Polygonal, yeah.

47:33 And even then, like the classes, there's only four of them.

47:36 Each have their own individual play style.

47:39 Yeah. I personally, I, Emma and I

47:44 joined later than you and Nick and I think Jack was playing it

47:48 too. Jack joined later than me and

47:50 Nick, but me and Nick were were among the first I I.

47:53 Remember back to when the the the more kite extraction, the

47:59 the liquid more kite was a new event or like, wow, this is so

48:05 weird grinding on water rails and stuff and now they're diving

48:09 into Oh yeah, there's like Eldridge horrors in the game.

48:12 Like what? Dude, you have the Amran

48:14 Hearthstone that wasn't even a thing.

48:16 Liquid more kite like there's just oh God, now there's also

48:21 those. Or was those like data hard

48:24 drives you had to do? Yeah, for the what was the

48:29 event? Called that was like season 2 I

48:30 think. It was like Rivals or something.

48:32 Yeah, Nemesis, I think. It was something it was, it was,

48:38 I think, I think you were the rivals.

48:40 But yeah, no, just the fact that, you know, there's all

48:43 these updates and I've kind of stopped playing it, but I've

48:45 still came back to it for quite a few years says something about

48:50 it. And like, just most of the guns

48:54 feel good like they have as you play, we discover more and more.

48:57 But like you get over clocks at a certain point and that can

49:02 change how a gun works. Nuke, nuke, nuke, nuke.

49:08 With a shotgun that you can just go flying with.

49:11 I don't share. Jesus.

49:12 Christ, I've only played engineer.

49:14 I'm only ever going to play engineer.

49:17 New grenade launcher as best grenade launcher.

49:19 Cod increase radius increase radius increase same boom cod.

49:29 Mark, what's up with all the friendly fire?

49:32 Don't worry about it. Don't warm.

49:36 It's like that Walmart shrimp. Or God forbid the hyper

49:39 projectile, you just deal contact damage.

49:43 Hey. Ethan catch down.

49:49 I like one shutting the dread dots as well with it.

49:52 Just oh hey, look at that chunk of health bar.

49:55 Oh hey, it's gone. What boss?

49:58 What boss? Or the the elf event for the

50:03 Christmas stuff. Oh God.

50:05 This Oh yeah. OK, let's go ahead.

50:08 We got to go find this elf. And you know what?

50:11 Fuck it, we're going to take this anti tank rifle.

50:14 Jesus Christ. Oh my.

50:15 God, snipe the elf doll from a mile away and be like I got it

50:19 guys. I remember being so pissed once

50:23 the game went out of early access because he had like a

50:25 week or like some amount of days to collect your rewards.

50:30 And I like, I got in like right after like a day or two after it

50:33 ended. And I'm like, where the fuck am

50:34 I? Like I've seen like all these

50:35 posts on like on Reddit and whatnot.

50:37 I'm like, where are my rewards, Mommy?

50:39 At this point, I don't care. Yeah, it's, it's whatever.

50:42 I'm just, I'm just glad to have been part of the journey.

50:44 I I personally like that Satisfactory did that

50:47 retroactively, where if you bought the game in the beta

50:51 version, it actually gave you the golden gear as sort of like,

50:59 yeah, it's automatically in your game.

51:01 The next time you blew it up, instead of you have to go to

51:06 some other website, claim the reward and then you have to do

51:10 all this other stuff now. Right.

51:11 Because that's like, who's going to do that?

51:13 Yeah, like realistically, who's going to?

51:15 With the amount of stuff that you have to juggle in your

51:17 normal day-to-day, it's a it's a bit much to ask of people now.

51:21 Yeah. Might as well just kind of, oh,

51:24 we have records of you actually owning this during the beta.

51:28 We'll just put it as part of your your license with the game.

51:35 Yes. Makes a lot more sense that way,

51:38 honestly. All right.

51:42 Yeah, it. Has a fun game play loop.

51:46 Oh yeah, that took. Yeah.

51:50 Rock. We haven't said this.

51:51 Rock and stone. Stone Rock'n'roll.

51:54 How do we not say that at the very beginning?

51:56 God, yeah, we're done. We're.

51:58 Previous. Wow, I.

52:02 Think we're mentioned of deep rocks?

52:04 Just rock and stone heard around the world.

52:08 And then the rest of the fan base just disappointed of us.

52:11 Yeah, hey, we got there. We got there.

52:13 We got there for Carl. We let.

52:17 Carl down. We're nothing but a bunch of

52:22 leaf lovers in here now. Leaf lovers.

52:26 OK all. Right, Yeah, You got another

52:34 game you want to talk about, Brandon?

52:37 Mr. Brandon, maybe Nope and pug doesn't?

52:40 Nope. Like just abrupt.

52:44 That 'd be a shitty way to end the.

52:48 No outro, no nothing. Just buy.

52:53 Not even buy, just fuck you fuck you, fuck you, fuck you fuck.

52:58 I'm not that angry. Not yet anyways.

53:04 Shit, Yeah, I guess so You know what?

53:10 We're gonna, we're gonna shocker.

53:12 We're gonna talk about a single 4 remake.

53:17 He's getting by on a technicality.

53:20 By a technicality, yes. Watch out actually, this

53:23 resident's good and evil. Hi, my name is Leon.

53:28 I hate today. I will never Leon.

53:31 I'm just gonna cut this part out entirely.

53:35 No, I just mute. Mute the two and I'll just, I'll

53:37 just talk. You know, it's OK.

53:39 Might be some silence for like 30 minutes, but that's all

53:41 right. You'll you'll get over.

53:43 It wow this conversation is very one sided.

53:46 Really, I would have never. Guessed it almost seems like

53:48 it's biased and possibly even. So what happens when we meet the

53:54 creator for the sound guys? Yeah.

54:00 You're at vibrancy. You only get a voice to the void

54:05 when it's on my terms. Shut all you want, for no one

54:12 can hear you scream. Do you agree with my alignment

54:15 chart? No, I cast.

54:17 Out I cast out cast. All right.

54:26 Social. Pariahs.

54:27 Well, let's get to the 4th Evil Resident.

54:31 Wow, the 4th evil resident, Yeah, they're growing.

54:35 So there'll be 1/5 evil residence.

54:37 You know, it's kind of funny that the way you said that kind

54:41 of, it's kind of how the original resident before looked

54:45 like, like the way that they had it on the case.

54:48 Yeah 4 or Yeah 4, Resident Evil. Yeah.

54:53 Yeah, like, huh. All right.

54:57 Fucked up. I love it when like off topic,

55:01 but I love it when like titles have like a big number between

55:04 like the first word and the second word so you can read it

55:06 as like, oh, like Resident 4 evil.

55:08 Yeah, like this is not right who fucked up but yeah.

55:16 So I think RE4 Remake will be timeless just because of the

55:24 legacy of the OG version. Yeah, I just, it's both games,

55:29 like I've talked about this before, both games are

55:31 different. They have the same name, but the

55:34 way that they're laid out are different.

55:38 Yeah, one has remake, the other one doesn't.

55:40 Yeah. That was probably the dumbest

55:44 thing I've heard from you so far.

55:46 He's not wrong, though. He's not wrong by a

55:50 technicality. That's the title.

55:54 I didn't ask you to the. Technicality.

55:56 It's. Not a technicality if it's real.

56:03 Well, fuck me I guess. Well, how else you're going to

56:08 brief you, you can do RE. I'll let you talk.

56:11 It's all him now. RE4R.

56:15 That is a thing. Ferrari, yeah.

56:17 Ferrari. No, that that is a I'm.

56:19 I'm a pretty smart goober. I didn't even know that was a

56:21 thing. Sometimes.

56:23 For the remake, sometimes, sometimes all.

56:24 Right. I'll let you talk to how much

56:25 about Mark. I'm not sure about Mark.

56:29 And he's a goober. I'm just a goober.

56:31 There's not really much to talk about with for it.

56:34 It's kind of already been said it's with the OG existing.

56:43 It already has a legacy like it's, you know, has built off

56:46 of. Yeah, yeah.

56:47 It's so it's just recapturing that sort of nostalgic feel and

56:51 the modern. That's sorry, I'm a.

56:56 Little tongue tied to that, I don't know why.

56:59 Just talk fast like I did at the beginning, yeah?

57:01 I'll have I'll have bread and slow.

57:02 Back. He's gonna fucking bite his

57:04 tongue if he tries that. Yeah, hello everybody.

57:09 Look at. The chomp chomp and he's

57:10 bleeding. Poke your nose.

57:17 Hold your nose and tilt back. Doesn't sound like he's choking.

57:24 Well, kind of choking, but on something.

57:28 OK. Yeah, they're you're.

57:32 Going to go to the time out corner.

57:35 That's my thing. I am the owner here, peeking the

57:39 microphone. Jesus.

57:46 But yeah, that's really all for that.

57:50 I mean I I've already talked about RE4 to death.

57:55 Fair enough. It's just that it is.

57:57 Oh my God. Not the microphone again.

58:00 Reset the counter. Oh.

58:03 Man we got to re record the episode.

58:05 What was the fool? What was that God?

58:07 How long was it? I have at least a couple

58:09 episodes. Definitely wasn't.

58:11 No, it's been about it. Been like a month, yeah, yeah, a

58:14 month or two like that. That's.

58:16 Yeah, I've been a good boy. Yeah, until that microphone

58:19 decides to die. After how many times it's Thank

58:21 God for carpet? Yeah, Yep, maybe it's fine.

58:27 Look, I. Should just like add like a like

58:31 a gym mat in that corner from there.

58:35 I think that would be worse. Yeah, I know.

58:37 We need like the puzzle piece foam that goes on the ground

58:41 just for where I sit. All right, so get back to me

58:45 then or you still have more to say.

58:49 I'd say. I know you said that's about it,

58:51 but I don't want to take your time either.

58:54 Yeah. Well, I will also because this

58:58 is going to be very short RE-9. He's double dipping.

59:03 He's double dipping into the Resident Evil sucker.

59:06 Double dipping. It's not even out yet.

59:09 How do you know? I think it'll be timeless just

59:13 because it is pretty much, if this is how it goes, the end of

59:21 the Like Raccoon City saga. I mean it.

59:26 And that's a thing because, like, you know, we haven't heard

59:28 of Raccoon City in quite a few games now.

59:31 Yes, like it's been referenced in certain ways, but it hasn't

59:35 been we. Haven't been there.

59:37 Since 22 and 3. Really.

59:42 I thought four had us at least some Raccoon City.

59:44 I know like. Like they talk about.

59:46 It I know Leon is part of the Raccoon City Police Department.

59:49 Yes, for one fucking day. One fucking day.

59:55 Really. Yeah.

59:56 Yeah, literally it was. That was his first day.

59:59 First and only day as a cop. Damn, this resident really is

1:00:02 evil. Like Phil What the references?

1:00:09 Leon. And he was also forced in the

1:00:13 position that he's in now. Where's everyone going?

1:00:16 Bingo. Bingo bingo.

1:00:18 When he said that in the remake, I fucking just exploded.

1:00:21 Welcome back, Leon. Wow, I bet he had a great day.

1:00:25 Starve a bitch. Holy shit, is that a big

1:00:30 alligator? I just love that and it's

1:00:34 somebody being. Holy shit.

1:00:38 Holy shit, instant cut to the Super.

1:00:45 But yeah, so with resume old nine, yeah, I think I think it

1:00:48 would be timeless just because of it ending what has been in

1:00:53 the series since the beginning, right.

1:00:56 And now from there, it's probably going to go with

1:01:00 something else. And some people say, and this

1:01:08 has not been confirmed by Capcom, that Leon might die in

1:01:14 this game if he's even in it. That.

1:01:18 Resident is. Evil now I don't.

1:01:21 I don't see that happening just because, well, main character

1:01:25 syndrome. I mean, yeah, but but playing,

1:01:28 playing as you're playing as somebody else.

1:01:31 Yes. It does open it up to a new

1:01:33 storyline. Because what you're playing as

1:01:34 Ethan in the eighth game. So you're playing no?

1:01:38 Not Ethan, Yeah. You're playing.

1:01:41 Well. You're playing as the daughter

1:01:43 of A. No.

1:01:45 Well, eight you were. You played as Ethan.

1:01:48 Yeah, 7:00 and 8:00 you played as Ethan. 9 You're playing as

1:01:51 Grace, who is the daughter of a reporter, Alyssa Ashcroft from

1:01:59 the Outbreak series. Gotcha.

1:02:04 And we got a little bit more of a look with how Grace deals with

1:02:10 things and she's a very anxious person.

1:02:18 So that'll be what really why I think Capcom picked her is just

1:02:23 because of her being so anxious that she's still jumpy and makes

1:02:28 sense. And there have been speculations

1:02:31 that Leon is going to help her in some kind of way.

1:02:34 Yeah. Now I think what Capcom should

1:02:37 probably do is if we're going back to Raccoon City, you've got

1:02:43 to bring back some of the main characters.

1:02:46 And really one of those should be Jill because we have not seen

1:02:52 Jill since 3:00. Well, five I should say.

1:02:57 So I really think they should bring her.

1:03:02 We already Chris, we've seen an 8.

1:03:08 So it's some of the characters we haven't seen in a little

1:03:10 while. What the fuck are you doing?

1:03:14 I don't know. He's an aura about him.

1:03:17 He's Aura. I have that youthful spirit is

1:03:20 that. Your fucking.

1:03:20 Phone. Oh shit, what the hell?

1:03:25 Is it the light on? Come on.

1:03:35 Oh, my light was turned. On he has an order about him.

1:03:38 I couldn't, I couldn't put my finger on it.

1:03:41 It's. Light bulb.

1:03:44 I have been blessed by the Lord. I am the you play a fucking.

1:03:53 He is the player. Now you're plugs in.

1:03:56 No, you're the you're the person that the fucking go up to for

1:04:00 quest. Look, I have a notification for

1:04:04 you. I'll be like the I haven't

1:04:09 played it. I'll be like the merchant guy

1:04:11 from from what was it, 7-8? What was the what?

1:04:15 The castle. Oh, Duke.

1:04:17 Yeah. Oh, Duke.

1:04:18 Yeah. Why don't you try taking another

1:04:20 look? Can you just say that's really

1:04:22 fucking funny that you know Ethan is a play is you per

1:04:26 character you play as? Yes.

1:04:27 And then there's Duke Shopkeep. Man.

1:04:33 It's almost like this game was made for me.

1:04:35 It's. Like I was made for this.

1:04:39 What are you buying? That's just an old thing, a

1:04:41 friend said. Literally he references that.

1:04:45 That's right. I guess before we decide to end

1:04:48 this off, can I sneak in another title?

1:04:52 Go for it. Well, if you guys are making

1:04:55 predictions of what's going to be timeless, I want to, I want

1:04:59 to point out the new Silent Hills are.

1:05:03 There are there new ones or new one?

1:05:05 There there's a new one. It's called Silent Hill F, which

1:05:09 coming coming coming from a music background.

1:05:12 I want to say is Forte, but that's just because the font

1:05:16 that they use for the FI don't know if it's.

1:05:20 I want to believe that it's got some sort of musical.

1:05:23 Honestly, seeing the puzzles in the old Silent Hill games I can

1:05:27 see it. Yeah, yes.

1:05:28 But but just given that the font of the F in the title is that

1:05:32 sort of music font for Forte, that's what I'm going to go with

1:05:37 for now. I want to throw in also besides

1:05:40 that Silent Hill F Silent Hill one is also getting a remake.

1:05:45 Oh, that's that's. Awesome, and it is currently

1:05:46 being developed. Yeah, that is awesome.

1:05:48 But Silent Hill F it doesn't take place in the traditional

1:05:54 Silent Hill. It was at Pennsylvania.

1:05:58 It's it's, I think based off of, yes.

1:06:01 Yeah, it's based off of the real town in Pennsylvania.

1:06:03 Yes. But it it it doesn't.

1:06:06 It's not based on the actual like historic sort of location

1:06:11 to always have. It's in Japan, it's Japanese.

1:06:17 This is going to be really interesting because from the

1:06:21 commercial, from the trailers that my wife and I have seen, it

1:06:26 looks like they're going to be leaning pretty heavily into

1:06:31 Japanese ghosts and sort of folk folklore with that, which is got

1:06:37 to be really freaking cool. Yeah, I was going to say that

1:06:40 like it's. And it looks stunning as.

1:06:42 Well, Oh yeah. It looks gorgeous.

1:06:44 Like it's, it's nice to see that they're doing something

1:06:47 different. Yeah cuz I, I still need to

1:06:51 finish Silent Hill 2, but that Silent Hill two remake has been

1:06:55 great. Just the the psychological

1:06:59 horror of it cuz I've always like I've always been a Resident

1:07:02 Evil guy. I just haven't really played

1:07:04 Silent Hill much, but being able to actually like wanting to play

1:07:09 Silent Hill, it's it's a totally different experience.

1:07:13 Yeah. And if you're doing the Japanese

1:07:15 type of horror, like you're talking about ghosts and what

1:07:19 not, I think of the Grudge. Yeah.

1:07:21 More Juno. Yeah.

1:07:23 Like that kind of shit. Yeah.

1:07:27 That that this is going to be a pretty scary game.

1:07:29 Yeah. And it, it, it, it looks good.

1:07:33 The, the new atmosphere is very refreshing.

1:07:38 Yes, it's, it's, it's looking like it's going to be really,

1:07:41 really good. Got to make Ethan play Silent

1:07:43 Hill. Nope.

1:07:44 He loves. He loves that psychological

1:07:46 horror. Well, I need to get you guys to

1:07:47 play the Dead Space remake. I played it, that make him play

1:07:51 it. OK, at least that one has guns.

1:07:58 Yeah, you can at least defend. Yourself, I give you that.

1:08:02 Hill like, well, at least one and two.

1:08:05 You get a gun. Yeah, like, okay, well, I'll.

1:08:07 Say Dead Space is also sci-fi, which I also like.

1:08:11 Yes. That's also true.

1:08:12 Yes, yeah. With Silent Hill, it is pure

1:08:14 fucking horror. Yeah, it is pure fucking horror.

1:08:18 Industrial horror. Yes.

1:08:20 Yeah, full body all. I mean, Dead Space is also body

1:08:25 dysmorphia. And I swear to God, if it does

1:08:26 that static bullshit that it happens.

1:08:28 And I think 2:00 and 3:00 where it's like if an enemy's nearby,

1:08:33 all of a sudden the static disappears.

1:08:36 There is no. So there is a static effect, but

1:08:40 that's not. Oh really?

1:08:43 I can't even call it an effect. It's a sound effect.

1:08:46 And instead of like the screen going all fucked up from what I

1:08:48 can remember, when an enemy's nearby, Yeah, that, yeah.

1:08:53 And whatever, which is kind of nice because then it kind of

1:08:56 helps you like, OK, where the fuck are you?

1:08:58 But also sometimes it'll be there and then it just

1:09:00 disappears. I think there actually isn't.

1:09:02 Any yeah or. It just doesn't trigger at all.

1:09:05 I mean I've been, it's funny, I've been jump scared a couple

1:09:08 times with these enemies that are like the two.

1:09:11 I was like a pair of legs that are like sewn together.

1:09:15 Yep, I have been jump scared I don't know how many fucking

1:09:18 times. Each time I get more pissed off

1:09:22 cuz I'm like fuck you stop. I know you're there, you know?

1:09:28 I could see you cuz. They hide.

1:09:31 They do. And they hide well.

1:09:35 If they're going to bring that shit back, there's no chance in

1:09:37 hell I'm playing this. I like, I'm, I'm excited to

1:09:43 finally play these games. Yeah, you know, and being a

1:09:49 Resident Evil guy, because both series, they're horror, but

1:09:55 Silent Hill does more of it. Yeah.

1:09:58 Resident Evil is not. It could be scary.

1:10:02 Comedy with it too. Yes, and it's, it's not like,

1:10:06 yeah, well, like 7 for instance, was fucking scary as shit.

1:10:09 Do I need to bring it, babe? Bring out the voice acting for

1:10:12 one. Oh God, Jesus, what is this?

1:10:15 Wow, what a mansion. This is a dining room.

1:10:19 This is a really. I would have never guessed it.

1:10:23 Hold up, don't go alone. You, the master of unlocking,

1:10:30 take this. Take this.

1:10:32 Wow, you are almost a Jill sandwich.

1:10:34 Jill, wait. All right.

1:10:37 But that's yeah, now I'm excited for that.

1:10:42 Unless we got something else to talk about, Nothing.

1:10:43 Go wrap it up. Yeah, go ahead and wrap it up,

1:10:46 buddy. Yeah, if you don't have anything

1:10:47 else, we're. Not sure how this episode will

1:10:50 go in the future, but for now I think it went pretty well.

1:10:55 That is modern games that we think will be timeless again, we

1:10:58 think will be timeless. Only the future can tell us that

1:11:01 information, especially for Sleigh the Spire and Resident

1:11:05 Evil 9. But yeah, this is been plugged

1:11:08 in for player 4. You are.

1:11:10 Good to unplug. Have a good day.

1:11:14 Bye, guys.