Handhelds/New Steam Hardware

0:02 Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Plug In for Player 4. I'm Mark and I'm here with these two. I'm Juan. I'm 70. What's my kid in the head except for really horrible OSHA violations? Got something magical and full of wonder? You dirty hoe. I'm sorry, baby.

0:33 Wait, was that in the movie? Yes. Literally, he had a hoe. It's been. Oh yeah, MM Myers just dreadedly had an actual fucking hoe. The gardening equipment. Yeah, like there it. Is so long since I watched that movie? It's a fever dream, yes. And all I know is that he was a terror. Yeah, absolutely. And when he gets no, see my favorite is when he gets kicked in the balls and then it just cuts to him on a fucking swing and shit and whatever. Song playing the the cooking show. Yeah, or the cooking show.

1:04 He just. Cuts off his own tail like that's. Oh God, that's right. Or the that's it, the the scene that will always stick out to me. It's like, oh, you want to drive? Here you go. Push the steering wheel to the side. Another steering wheel. Oh, you want to drive too? Here you go. They're all they're all three just driving. What is happening? Or the name of the car. Oh yeah, I can't remember. I think it was shit. I think it was because the kids like, oh, you mean quick, quick, don't.

1:36 And that's why they don't do live action anymore. It was not a good idea. I mean, it was all right with the Grinch, but. Wasn't that why his career stopped for a bit? Was because of them? Probably. Yeah, you really don't. I haven't. I haven't seen like Myers in a long time and like anything. Well aren't I know they're doing another Shrek so he's coming back to voice act that. Yeah, yeah. I. Besides that, I. Thought they were doing another Austin Powers or something. Oh, I think they should leave Austin Powers.

2:10 Yeah, honestly, because it's. It's for a different time. Yeah, Goldmember, man, that fucking. Yeah, but again, it's also from a different time. Yeah, I don't know how that would be nowadays. Yeah, things are differently changed. Would you like a schmuck and a pancake? I wouldn't know. I don't watch movies. Uncultured motherfucker. So. I mean, yeah, you're right. No, Yeah, you're completely right. No, I am uncultured. I'm not going to deny that. But call me a swine. Yeah, I'll have you know, Sir, that I have a sow.

2:48 He lost us. I'd lost two guys. He lost us. Anyways, what have you guys been doing lately? There's no way. I really haven't been playing much. I mean, I've been I've been playing a game called Dorf Romantic where it's a tile based game where you got a match up. It's a hexagonal tiles. You got to match up tiles to other tiles. Or there's there's yes, it's a hexagon, but there's six different sides that each side could be. There's like planes, wheat, forest, water, train, and city and if you match up a tile perfectly, meaning all edges match, then you get an extra tile back.

3:30 If you sometimes you'll get a quest. If you complete the quest you'll get 5 tiles back. Oh that was my God. Holy shit. You're going to break that. Chair, I think I'm going to. I'm not even doing anything that. Chair's like. Holy shit that sounded like Oh my head. It did. We've had that chair since I was a child, so that's like a damn near old 20 year old chair. Go on, I am.

4:04 All right. I think you're good. No, I'm not fair. Shut up. I'm not done. He's not done. I'm not done yet. But if you, if you complete a quest, which is like, oh, you need to have this many trees or at least this many trees and you get 5 tiles back. And if you sometimes they will have flags on the quest, once you complete the quest, you'll get a flag. If you close off all tiles. Meaning like there's no way to connect like for example, trees to more trees of that like that group. Then you get even more tiles back, which is pretty cool.

4:42 I've yet to go infinite because you can do that and people can get scores into the hundreds of thousands and I've highest I've gone is 16,000. So I'm very far off. That's all I really, really been playing other than that, like balloons or actually Monster Hunter now, ever since that episode, I've really gotten the last time we talked. I've really gotten into it. Yeah, I've been playing it on and off. I see. Yeah, you're you've gotten surprisingly fast to hunt to rank 25. I mean 23 is the last I saw.

5:16 Yeah, I think it's still 23. I've been trying to find the time to play it but. Dude, my, my work has two gathering points right there. So every three hours I you can just go and grab things or I can do hunt a thongs. So like while I'm on lunch, I just do a hunt a thong for 10 minutes or so and it is your crew resources. I'm like, this is a Luna Guerin. I might not ever ever make the armor, but I'll hunt it. Fair enough, Oh well, I guess for me I've well that new Fallout 4 update came out so it. Was a new one.

5:57 Yeah, it's a anniversary. Anniversary thing, man, Creation's been great. This kind of I'm not going to lie at being the anniversary for Fallout 4 kind of lackluster, but. I mean, the game's old. It's old. It is now 10 years old. Yeah, because it came out when I was in high school. Yeah, I remember my like, hell, you and Ethan talking about it. Is it like, where do I where do I get wire? Oh, you have to go to this specific guy. Like, I literally remember that conversation. Yeah, just one of the random memories I have.

6:30 Yeah, no, I've, I've been playing that the those new creations and whatnot. Yeah, I mean, it's been fun. It's just the, you know, updating. Yeah. You know what happens when Bethesda does that shit? Something's always got a break, but that's that's the joy. But. Yeah, if it wasn't, I don't want to say buggy, but if it wasn't as buggy as it is, I don't think it would have been as fun because I have seen some buck shit in my how many years playing it. It's so fucked, man.

7:09 Yeah, that was fights that. I will say. Not really much. This might date the episode a bit but I picked up some Avatar the Last Airbender magic cards today and I am super hyped for the pre release this weekend with my buddy because this is one of my favorite TV shows growing up. Yeah, yeah. God it's I need to go back and rewatch it. I literally haven't watched it since I was a child. It was a good show. Very good show. It's on Netflix. I don't have Netflix. Oh OK, well Emma and I also have a box set.

7:45 Oh shit. Oh, I had to find a functional DVD then because my my last time I used my DVD player in my room, it was Kung Fu Panda. I could hear the music, nothing else. Characters were like and I only heard like, I'm like what the hell is happening? It was the funniest break. I'm like, this is great and all but I can't watch the movie. Well, I mean you do. You do have a DVD player. Yeah, what? Xbox that is. That is literally a DVD. Player. I didn't know that. Blu-ray and DVD. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can.

8:33 You can play it. I've used it. Yeah, since when I've been. I used it a couple nights ago just to watch Haunting in Venice. You know, and I also got a PS2, I should play it, right? Yeah, so. Yeah, I mean literally about. You want 144? You want 144B graphics? Just slap it in that PS2, yeah? I mean it, it was a very good DVD player for it's time. It was, and I think that's why a lot of people bought it. Was because Oh yeah. Cheaper than a DVD player at that point in time. I mean, that's why people bought the PS3 for a Blu-ray player, because it was the cheaper Blu-ray player played a lot because I think those Blu-ray players were over like $1000 and.

9:12 Oh yeah, they were. They're fucking expensive. And then now it's like, well, you know, it's. Just commonplace kind of getting phased out. Yeah. Although with the problems of streaming, it's kind of coming back because people are like, I don't like not owning my shit so. Or having like a show they want to watch that was taken off the service and then you know, and I can't watch it. Yeah, yeah. These people kind of get a little bit more turned away from it. Like Uncle Grandpa, they took that off Hulu.

9:39 Oh my God I was sad when I heard about that. That's like one of my favorite shows ever because of how stupid it is. Fucking dumb but I love it. What's Good morning.

9:51 What do you think? Realistic Flying Tiger? Mr. Gush. I didn't get into the show. All I think of is like some sort of weird, like David David Bowie dream sequence. That's about it. What? What about you, Billy Bag? Oh belly bag, I forgot about that. God damn I I knew so many references to that show. Now I don't like. I don't remember them now. Yeah, I know. But I I used to God, I'm pretty sure my buddy Nick was going to fucking slap me because I I literally make references all the fucking time. And what are we doing today, Marco?

10:28 Marco man. Marco Man Microwave. Excuse me Macrowave. Macrowave, yes. What are we? What are we doing, Microsoft? Line of single use appliances. The back. I got 1. Even better. What are we doing today in Micro Center? Oh God. Macro Center. That's what. Macro Center, that's what we'll sell all this shit, we sell the. Biggest, and I mean. Big. Ram sticks. Biggest single use appliance and components. You want some thermal paste in a 55 gallon? We got you, Bulk. Mine, you would never use all of that. You want a bag of old computers that companies are thrown away because they cannot support Windows 11?

11:20 We got you for 20 bucks.

11:25 Honestly, that's not awful. It saves it from being e-waste. So I I saved the. Fucking planet did you save it from? Walmart. Is that what you said? Huh. Did you save it from Walmart? Is that what you said? I think you save it from e-waste. From e-waste because they couldn't support Windows 11. So they can repurpose it. Put Linux on. Yeah, because Linux is the future now. Yeah. I'm turning away from Microsoft macros. Microsoft. There we go. Now we can make my own. Microsoft, we'll call it. I was going to be funny.

12:00 Anyways, I've got two things I want to talk about. Oh, this was supposed to be a one thing episode, but then we had an announcement come out and I was like, you know what? I want to talk about this too. So I feel like topic number 2 is going to be shorter to talk about. Yeah. Short. Let's talk about Steam's announcements for their new family of console and gaming appliances. So they've got the Game Cube. Basically. Which is the the Steam console. It's the shape of an actual like Game Cube without the handle.

12:40 Before time began, there was the cube God. Damn it.

12:48 When you made that reference on discord that fucking sent me.

12:54 Well, you were close to the beat. You said that. Give me the cube. I'm sorry, but that's just what I think about. I'm just like. Honestly. Honestly I love the Michael Bay transformer, the first one especially. The first couple were greater than they just had lost the plug. But the cube, I guess like the, the, the specs are kind of out and like a lot of people are like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the cube, 8 gigs of VRAM. Oh God.

13:26 And then did you guys see that 2/3 of it is just heat sync? Yeah. I'm not surprised that's where a lot of consoles are nowadays. They're just huge. That's that's. I mean, I'm not too worried about that as long as it works. I mean, I mean the how's the how's the heat heat, the heating problems for those steam decks? Is that OK or is it just? It's OK, it doesn't get as hot as the switch does. Yeah, So honestly, given given Steam's track, giving Steam's track record with at least the Steam Decks, I have faith in that at least they'll be able to keep it cool enough to play.

14:07 I would definitely say the the Steam Deck, it's depending on what you're playing that fucker, the back of it can get pretty hot. Now I've played Breath of the Wild and the Switch has gotten hot as fuck. Yeah, but I'm kind of edging more towards the Steam Deck. Get hot gets hotter. Oh really? I mean the. Switch. I think the throttles itself after a little. While I also haven't used my Steam Deck a lot. I should, but I just don't. But have you ever gotten to the point where it gets too hot? It crashes.

14:39 No. No, even with like hardcore. Gaming. Oh yeah, no it. Does so, yeah. No, like I said, I kind of have faith in Steam to at least make it so that you can't really easily overheat the thing. Yeah, yeah. No, I've, I have never had a crash from like heat just there and I mean it pumps out air, I can tell you that much. I mean there were people huffing it for some God. Forsake people huff everything like I don't know what it is, but like it's a console exhaust. Yeah, why? I love. Hot fucking hair. Like you told me about that.

15:17 I think the Steam Deck when I first got it, Like, you know, people huff there. What? Yeah. One, why? And two, why would you tell me? I think if I remember, if I remember correctly, Valve was like can you not do that? Like what the fuck is wrong with you? Anyway, I don't, I understand like people be like, oh, I'm going to huff a marker or something because, you know, it actually has fumes. Yeah, which is not any better. It's not. I'm not saying that's a good practice or anything, I'm just saying that for an electronic, that's just really fucking weird.

15:52 Well, anyway, going from the back of the console to the front, did you guys see that you can change the face plate? Oh my God, yeah. That's pretty cool. Yeah, you could 3D print your own. Yeah, exactly. You just need magnets. Yeah, that's all you need. That's fucking awesome. Like that's what that was, yeah. That was one of my first thoughts, 'cause like somebody took off the the black plate and put on like a orange outline of well, it was there was a silhouette of TF2 heavy. Yeah, yeah, just 3D print whatever you want.

16:23 I mean I've I've showed us an image of the group chat of somebody changing it to be one of the cubes from portal. Yes, yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah, I did see that on Twitter as well. The entire thing was just the cube I think, except the back because you need all that all. The IO and stuff, but yeah, no, that's. Yeah, the companion. Was cool, yeah. That's fucking awesome, yeah. I'm. That's so consumer friendly. So it's being on this topic what I was going to say earlier with I know people are saying that they're concerned that, you know, this might fail just like the other Steam Machines.

16:58 Yeah, well, it's like, I don't, I don't think it's going to because now they have a foundation that they've built with the Steam Deck. Yeah. They didn't have shit. Yeah. Well, here's another thing. It can pretty much play all the console games just about and then you can emulate the fuck out of everything else. So it's pretty much it's a one stop shop. That's basically. For just a gaming rig. Yeah. And it's like 6 inches. What big? It's portable. It's portable as fuck. Like that'll fit in my jacket pocket.

17:27 It's. Yeah, it's literally like a beefed up version of the Game Cube. Pretty much, yeah. Yeah, yeah, you're right. It is. It's literally a beefed up. It's like, it's like they took the idea of what if we made a modern Game Cube and we just actually make it really fucking good for the time. And and the whole thing about the 8 gigs of VRAM in it, it doesn't really fucking matter with that. Like I'll be honest, they're yes, having more VRAM is nice, but you're one you're not going to be running these games at all.

18:12 Graphic settings put the high No, I'm sorry, it's not going to do. That. I I feel like the the use keys for this device is really great for me making it as an entry level PC just for gaming. Right. And I feel like that that's the actual purpose for this thing. And I mean, if you really want to want to make it a full-fledged computer, I mean, you put whatever operating system you want on it. Yeah, if you really want Windows on it, yeah, do it. It's all supported hardware. Yeah, so like, you can do whatever the fuck you want with it.

18:46 Well didn't they also say that it would be a bitch to do but you can actually upgrade it? What are you talking about? Upgraded like. Like actually upgrade components of the machine like the RAM? I haven't really heard drives. I I haven't heard anything, but I know you can get. I think you can get it in 500 GB. Or 500? TB or A10 TB which is. Weird, I'll have to look. At that I might. Basically, I might be wrong, but I thought I heard somewhere where somebody was like, yeah, Steve's saying you can upgrade this if you want to.

19:20 You probably could, because I mean you can with a Steam Deck. Because you can with a Steam Deck, yeah, but it's also it's like the most consumer friendly thing you can fucking do Yeah, if you want to make a name for yourself in the market now I'm. Pretty like, like I said, I'm pretty sure they you could upgrade this with probably minimal problems because like I said, the Steam Deck that's easy to replace joysticks, Yeah, because they're literally modular pieces. Yeah, I'm talking, I'm talking about the hardware.

19:47 Not like, yeah, not like, oh, you got to replace a joy con, like, physically. Yeah, no. The upgrade the RAM and the CPU and stuff like that. That shouldn't be a problem. The only issue I could come up with though, it's just form factor, but you know that's something that you can work around. OK, but here's here's like kind of a prediction that I have is that a lot of people aren't going to get it kind of like the Steam Deck. It's going to be those few that like really know what they're kind of doing with technology.

20:15 Yeah. Plus those majority that, you know, want it to emulate and do whatever with, kind of like you can already do with the Steam Deck. Yep. It just seems like you can play all the games instead of just the verified and yeah the whatever the exclamation. Yeah, that's playable. Question, whatever it is. Exclamation point, Yeah. Play at your own risk, really. Yes, yes, I can see that. Like I don't know if you're going to be able to play everything because you're you're technically speaking, you are still using a Steam Deck, just desktop.

20:54 Yeah, because you're still using Steam OS. You're still using. Linux. I wonder if they'll have a desktop mode just like the Steam Deck. Oh yeah, yeah, it will. It'll be probably just like this. I mean if it's running Steam OS. Yeah, it'll have everything true that the Steam Decks got. Yeah, just, you know, like I said it. It's a It's a beefier version of. It but the question everyone is asking will it run big steam mode? Big picture? What is it called? I think it is big picture. Mode, I mean it fucking better, I mean.

21:32 I remember turning on big picture mode once and it was like all weird. It looked like the PlayStation menu. I'm like Oh my God, unless that's not. I'm like but Oh my God, what's this? I did that too. I was like, how do I get out of here? I'm lost. Well. Well, now the Big Picture mode is literally just the Steam Decks interface and game mode. Yeah, So honestly, that's nice. You're right, especially if you're using like ATV and whatnot. And here's the thing, as as their OS is maturing, more companies are going to be like, well, let's start trying to make our game supported on this operating system as well.

22:08 Yeah, I mean it. So kind of going forward, outside of emulating things that just won't work normally, you you could easily make an argument that people are going to start making games specifically for Steam OS. Right, because I remember maybe 10 years ago.

22:28 Math No, Seven years ago. Eight years ago, looking at, you know, a bunch of Steam games, can't remember any specific, but looking at Steam games to be like, oh, this one is only supported on Windows, This one is only supported on or is like, everything was supported on? Yeah, everything basically was supported on Windows, Yeah. I and then you have like a handful of games that actually worked on Linux. Yeah. And and like a little bit more on Mac, maybe a little. Yeah, I know a little more on Mac, but still a lot of them did not work on Linux.

23:04 But now that Valve is kind of working on Linux, people are like, oh wait, maybe we should look into this. Yeah, which is interesting. Just that flop flip flop that I would have never expected in. Oh yeah. You know, seven years. I've, I've been seeing a lot more people on TikTok and other social media saying that they're actively working to move towards Linux at this point. Yes, like people that said that I've never expected to move away from Microsoft. They're like I'm switching over to Linux just because well, for one, you won't have all the bloatware that you have in Microsoft.

23:47 You get to actually have control over your system. And for me personally, I switched over my my coding laptop from Windows to Linux and it's like revitalized it to the point where I can actually use it again. So what do you have to like code in Morse now or? No, I mean, I mean I'm still able to download Python, Java, I can still get C++ when I get around to getting it installed. Like quite literally all the stuff that I work with I just download from the web anyways. So the operating system doesn't matter as long as they have something supporting it.

24:32 And then a lot of the the open source softwares that I use already have ports to Linux as well. So it's just I get to not have to buy a new laptop? Yep, I get to keep my old laptop and I get to make it run for longer now. Yes, and at faster speeds than what it was when it was still on Windows 10.

24:58 Now, Linux is definitely something that I've always been kind of keeping a close eye on. We're getting to the territory where I don't know shit because I only know Windows, and even then I I scratched the surface fair. Fair. Looks like we have to duct tape them into a chair and make them learn Linux now, yeah? I'll bring my yeah. Open my eyes. Yep. Show you a whole new world of possibilities just because I mean you. You don't have the AI bullshit. You don't have the marketing constantly in your face.

25:28 You don't have the apps getting removed. You don't have your data being siphoned off every fucking moment of the day. You don't have the watermark at the corner of your screen if you don't want to pay for the operating system. It's just so much. Beaked into it. From what Microsoft used to be, and it's also getting better at being more user friendly as more people start getting onto it. Yeah, 'cause when Linux was in its infancy, very early, it was. It was only command line. Yeah, it was. It was not user friendly, yeah, but now like.

26:06 It's got a full working yeah desktop in it, like like the the way I have it set up right now, it's actually a lot more like Apple in terms of layout. Yes. And that that that you can easily change too. Yeah, yeah, you literally. You can customize Linux to be whatever the fuck you want, Yeah. That's cool. Like if you wanted to be more like a Windows layout, there's distros for that. Like that. Yeah, like that. KDE. Yeah, or or mine, I think I have just basic Ubuntu for just software development. It's got more of an Apple layout, but yeah, no, it's there's niche use cases for all the different distros and it just really depends on what do you want your machine to be very specifically good at.

26:58 Yep. This is off topic, but I thought of it and I don't want to forget. Did you guys see that there's something going on with Ubisoft? So they didn't, they didn't release their. I think I've heard of something. No, they didn't release their profit this month as well as something I didn't hear about this and something else froze. I can't remember what, but people are like is it, is it time? Is it? Is it time? Is it time for the collapse? A lot of people here let me try to find out my phone, so fill the air.

27:35 Well, I find it. But yeah, a lot of people are just thinking that it's it's really funny. I I mean I I know that Shadows wasn't a flop, but it also wasn't like the saving magic bullet that they were hoping for. Yeah. No, they they're, they were kind of just too far gone, Yeah, at that point. I mean it, it performed about as much as you expected it, besides all the controversy. And shit, that's what it was. Ubisoft postponed its earnings report and Oh yeah and halted the trading of its shares. Oh yeah, they're they're they're done.

28:14 They're they're in deep shit. It's either they sell IPS or they just go belly up at this point that that is such a big red flag for a publicly trained company. Yep. Yeah, what is? That especially one that we've been watching for years, understanding that it's been struggling such pictures. What the fuck did you find that Twitter? Yeah, but I was like Ubisoft allergic to good ideas, and they're just that dog dog with the stupid God damn it. Twitter at it again. I'm not shocked. Yeah, I'm not either.

28:57 It's amazing. I am not either. But yeah, let's go ahead and steer back towards our our topic towards the consoles and stuff. So we've talked about the Steam console. Let's talk about the controller next. I want it. I want it right fucking now. If I don't get it right now, I'm going to do things I shouldn't. I want it now. So are the D pads, Are they the square bits underneath the the joy cons? So that is literally this. Steam Decks touch pads. That's literally what they are. Oh, so they're touch pads?

29:34 They're not. They're not like D pads, like where you press down on it, you just swipe your finger. Yeah, literally, like I said in the the Steam Deck, that's what you use for like the mouse and everything on the Deck. Yeah, that, that makes a lot more sense. 'Cause there's there's like the D pad on the right face buttons on the left and then you have the sticks and then you have the. Yeah, the touch pads. Yeah, the touch pads on the inside of the the the grips, right. And then you you these controllers also have back buttons.

30:05 On the. Oh shit, on the back. So kind of similar to the Steam Controller I have right now, but they're they're actual like physical. Oh, I see. Oh, no, that's kind of one. That's the old one. Oh, that's actually pretty cool. What's the new one? It's not showing the back of the new one. The wireless receiver also acts as a charger, which is really nice. It's magnetic so you just clip it on it's real fucking goal. That's honestly awesome, holy shit. And then it also has like your Steam logo button.

30:37 Yeah. And your which is on on the Steam Deck as well, a little option button and you think. This thing is a lot of fucking control surfaces. Yeah, I see it. There's the R4 and R5. What about the blue section? Do you know if that's anything? I think that's. Probably the rumble because it has HD Rumble in it. OK. Yeah, because. It's similar. I mean, looking for where that's placed, that's going to be more in like the, the, the balls of your hands. Oh, I. See, we're. Kind of like. Grip enabled gyro, that's what it is.

31:08 We're calling it Grip Sense and then it's a new input for Steam Controller that enables gyro with capacitive touch hold and release to enable and disable gyro aiming aiming. Oh yeah, you can also map it like any other button. What the? What the? Fuck this sounds like they're taking the best of both worlds from fucking Xbox and PlayStation controllers. My problem is the inline sticks 'cause I like the Xbox layout and I think it's far superior so. Well, it's got a really good ergonomic. Layout. Well, yeah, that's why the Xbox controller has always been a PC thing.

31:42 Yeah. Yeah, now I'm I'm used to those kind of controls like the sticks like that. Yeah, because of the PlayStation, I'm used to it. But I do like the I prefer the layout for the Xbox. Yeah, yeah. But honestly. If the controller and try it or at least if you get it, I'll try it off of you and. I mean, I'll, I'll try it too seems. Really, really good. Yeah, No, I'm, I'm excited for that. I wanna. Especially because I remember you mentioned that it's got a magnetic joysticks. Yes. So it's really resilient instead of like the plastic.

32:14 Oh yeah, Which? A lot of the companies that OK. That's what a lot of these other companies should be using because I think they're, I don't want to say that they're completely immune to stick drift, but it's. No hard. It's harder. It's like a lot harder to get stick drift. Yeah, yeah. So that's, that's, you know what they should be doing, because I'm sorry that the, the fucking the Xbox controllers we've gotten, they could have done so much fucking better. Yeah, no, I, I, I think that's more of a problem with the fucking Nintendo sticks.

32:46 Nintendo's had a fucking huge problem with it with the Switch. Well, especially the and. It was so the joy cons, The joy cons, they always drifted. Yeah, and and like $80. It's like go fuck yourself. I. Still don't know they didn't get sued like it was. I thought. I thought they did. They basically came to a standstill. It's like if they acknowledged it, then they would get sued, but if they didn't, then they wouldn't. So like even though the even though the information was there, Jack Jack can describe it way better, but it was it was basically that's where if they acknowledged it, then yes, they would go.

33:23 But like I. It was weird it never happened. It was weird, just dragged it out on the courts until whoever was suing them couldn't afford it anymore. I'm not even sure if it was that again. That's simply what they do. I mean, looking at what they tried to do with Powell World until Powell World. Actually, let's not go down that route. We're not going down that route. I know your thoughts on that, but I'm just saying that sort of the corporate playbook is just outlast the opposition until it's just all gone.

33:54 Every company does that shit. But yeah, no, I'm kind of interested in this controller the more that I'm hearing about it. Yeah, me too. Yeah, I want I. Want. I'm not sure how I feel about the like activated and deactivated like grip. I'm not sure how I feel about that, but I'm sure you can disable that. You can shut it off, yeah. If it's, you know that much of a problem to shut off. Right you. Know yeah, no, I, I, I want to I want to get those and hopefully they're not super expensive like I'll be honest.

34:29 I'm expecting them to be more expensive than controllers typically are, but at the same time it seems the quality going into it is going to justify it. At that point, yes, yeah, like if they. Because if they make it more resilient and it has a lot more tech built into it, then you can justify it as oh, this is a more crafted product than just oh we're going to cheaply mass produce these this shit. Yeah, no, I if they're like 7080 bucks, you know, like a for like how much like a regular controller is for like a PlayStation or an Xbox, you know Yeah, I could I'd, I'd buy it because, because long term you're saving money without having not having.

35:21 To buy a controller every couple of months. Yeah, because companies are fucking stupid. But then so moving on I the VR headset. Yeah, this is this is the area that I was really curious on hearing you guys about because I don't have VR and I know you guys do. I mean, here's the thing, I only have one VR headset, only ever had one VR headset, so my knowledge is limited compared to you, Brandon, you've had at least two that I know of. I'd be interested in watching videos of it like seeing what the actual like when you have it on what that looks like or the actually I guess the inside what that looks like like what you get to see through.

36:08 Cause I've talked about this in a previous episode. Might be the last one where I want to be more immersed in my VR and the the Metaquest 3 has circles like basically eyeglasses yeah yeah when, but I can still see like me like if it's not on properly I can still see like light shining up my nose and all that and in the room and yeah. That's interesting with the, the PSVR 2, I don't have those problems at all 'cause the, the lenses are not like circles, they're, they're kind of shaped like for your eyes, I you'd have to see a picture of it, but the way it seals to your face, you don't see any light whatsoever.

36:52 It's and it's not uncomfortable either, which is nice. It's just that that headset is a lot more demanding on your computer. So. Yeah, and like, my thing with the Metaquest 3 is that if it's weird 'cause I need to have it like really close to my face. Like I need to like basically grab my hands and like, push it up to my face. If I want to see clearer it, it sounds weird, but it makes sense. So then I really have to ratchet the, the, the strap on the back of my head tight. But then that kind of like hurts my head after a while.

37:28 Have you ever gotten that tightening like I? I've had this problem with not the PSVR but the Matterquest 2. I've noticed if it's too tight back here on the back of my head this starts to go numb. I haven't had that happen now. That is a weird ass feeling when your head right back here goes numb. Well, yeah, but that's because it wasn't designed by humans. It was designed for lizard people like Mark Zuckerberg for their metaverse. And hello fellow human, I am human too. He's going to fuck it, kill me.

38:09 Yeah, sweet baby rays. That's also my. Sweet. Oh yeah, I have sweet baby rays out on the shelf just like any other normal human would. We just put sweet baby rays on these ribs. Sweet baby rays, sweet baby. He looks like a what did we talk? Alien. Mark Zuckerberg. The. Owner of Meta Facebook. Yeah, I know that, but what's the sweet baby Reyes stuff? Oh you don't? You don't remember that from when he was showcasing off the metaverse shit? No 'cause I never watched anything about it. Yeah, OK. Yeah, that's fair.

38:43 That's fair. That is very fair. The the one that I'm familiar with was just randomly they're showing off like the scene of the room and it's supposed to be like a living room for some fucking reason. There's a bottle of sweet Baby Rays on the shelf in the background. Like, like, like, like that shelf up there. Like box shelves, but just the sweet baby rays on display. God, that's fucking awesome. Yeah. Product placement, I mean. What what what I'm referencing is when he was actually smoking these ribs or whatever, which actually sounded pretty good, you know, smoke ribs.

39:29 But he had like his buddies there and whatever they're outside and you know, sweet baby rays. We just put some baby rays. It's like, Jesus, are you trying to fuck it? What are you doing? Oh God, that makes me think of the Truman Show. Where is she? Where Truman's wife is always advertising, just randomly. So that's base, yeah, basically. What the fuck? He's sitting there and he's like, what are you talking about?

39:58 Grace but you know I I'm wondering if this VR headset is more of a entry level. I I feel that's what a lot of like. Like the console idea and the headset idea are more supposed to be entry level. Yes, I mean it is also cheaper than the Vive cause the Vive is still 1K. Yep, really, it's a good headset, but the problem is I don't think it's been updated. And yeah, how long it's been out? When did it come out? Oh God, I can't remember. I mean here's the thing though, do they update the hardware or did it stay the same since it came out?

40:42 Oh, you know, they, they haven't changed. They. Haven't changed at all. Yeah, it is literally the same. Exactly. So why is it still 1K if the hardware is? Just the same, the PS and the the Xbox Series actually is. It would make sense if it came with like the arm and leg trackers 'cause I know they have that with the yes, with the Vive. That's like a bundle you can get or just separate Plus. But you also need to set up cameras with that as well. Yeah, it's not just a spatial thing. I have a feeling they prick.

41:12 I wonder if they just sort of like, you know, at this point now people are using other VR headsets. They kind of just said fuck this one, yeah. Was it 5 Vive Pro 2? Just the Vive. Just the Vive, so I think it came. Out. That's the old 120. I'm not sure what the new one is called. Forgot what the the 24 2015? 2016 The original HTC Vive. Con So that's nine years old. HTC. Yeah. That's right, HTC. Yep, Yep. Yeah, the original release date April 5th, 2016, nearly 10 years ago. Yeah, then they stopped making phones.

41:48 Yeah, HTC. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know. I didn't know. Yeah, did not I? Think. I had AI, had an M8 HTC. One, he had a mate. 8 My buddy Zach had the M. 7 HTC never fully stopped making phones. That's large scale. Smartphone manufacturing ceased after selling a portion of its business to Google in 2018. That's where we got the Google Pixel. That makes a. Lot that makes a lot of sense. So they sold off the majority of their smartphone business and that became the Google Pixel. OK. I mean like the pixel I've heard is not.

42:27 It's not bad. Yeah, it's not a bad phone. It just seems like another. Smartphone. Another smartphone? Yes. Yeah. I mean, look at, look at the iPhone. They have not changed that much. No, I mean granted, I I. Know they've changed. They've changed the way the fucking camera looks. It looks like fucking shit. The. New. I mean I did get a new phone recently but I I also had an SE-2. Yeah. So that was like, I swear to God, it was 2019, which if you look that up, it's going to be completely wrong. That's why I'm here.

43:01 I've. Looked it up before like the SE-2 is like 02022 or something like that. I'm like, no, I've had this since 2019 at least, which is. Weird. Yeah, Now 2022. Exactly. So I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm not sure. What the fuck ahead then? No iPhone SCTO 2020 Apple Watch SCT. That's what it was 2020 that Yeah, that's what it was 2020. But I swear to God, like, I had this red iPhone in 2019 back when the pandemic was going on. Yeah. But now I have this new phone and I got to say it's, I mean, yeah, it's still a lot the same, but there's it's it's mainly the iOS updates now is what really changes the phone.

43:40 Yeah, it's more so what's on the phone rather than what is the phone. Yeah. I will say out of probably a lot of the updates that Apple has pushed over the years, this one has probably been the rockiest because there have since they changed the UI now it's all glassy, which looks great. But they're even just over the years they have been, they have been a lot more unstable when they've come out. I, when you think of Apple, they like really test things and I just, over the years I've just noticed that they've just been more lazy on certain things.

44:26 Yeah, I can. I can say that Apple's in the best, but I feel like I'm. Have you guys seen the Apple Pocket? I'm just like too invested in like Apple right now, not like invested or whatever, but like I've, I've been on this path for so long, I feel like trying to learn Samsung or something else would just be harder than what it's worth. Yeah. Like, I like, I wholeheartedly believe you could learn it. Oh well. For sure I would, but it's just like. Not without difficulty. Yeah, 'cause I it's a completely different system.

44:56 And granted I can get like if I got a Samsung, there's so many other games on their Play Store, whatever it's called, that I can get compared to iOS. Yeah. I I think what I don't like most about just Apple in general is the gimmicky products. Yeah, have you seen the pocket? What the fuck is the pocket? I haven't heard of this. It is a sling for your phone. Wait a minute, I'm sorry. Show me a picture. What?

45:28 It's literally a small pocket sling. I could crochet. Put your phone in that you can Dingle from your arm. I could. Crochet that I'm working on a big ass Dino, right? Now and watch that be like 70 to 100 bucks. I'm working on a big ass Dino right now. I am halfway through crocheting the body. Like without any additional like arms or legs. The body. This has been since October

45:59 12th. Something like that, yeah. So over a month. How much is? It oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, no. I'm guessing 799. So there's a short strap design and a long strap design. OK, I'm going with a long strap. All right, Brandon, what do you think it costs? If this costs like 7-8 hundred dollars I'm going to punch a hole in the wall right now. And then? Nathan, I said 799. So the short strap retails for 150 bucks and the long strap is 230 bucks. Oh, OK. All right. I mean, that's that's.

46:41 Still. Stupid. It is still stupid, but it's not as stupid as I thought. It's it's. What are the? What are the? What are the titles for? The section on this is from Apple's website by the way. I'm sorry, but the Apple stand for a fucking whatever was 1000. Yeah, that's stupid. Was $1000. One of the one of the descriptor sections was a piece of cloth crafted crafted in Japan. IPhone Pocket features a singular 3D knitted construction that is the result of research and development carried out at I don't know what the fuck.

47:20 We found out a pattern online we made. We bought a machine that could do it and we use that through. Inspiration from the concept of a piece of cloth and reinterpreted the everyday utility of the brand's iconic pleated. Clothing. You know what this is right here. This is a piece of cloth. Yeah. This is yes. That's my dinosaur. So I guess the history for it is that the the company that they're going with made Steve Jobs famous turtleneck.

47:53 Who the fuck would want that? It serves no practical purpose. It's it's. They're trying to make it as, oh, it's, it's a part of your fashion trend. Speaking of new things, I got a car. How about that? Oh yeah, you did. On October 30th, the day before Halloween, it was funny. I I so I have. I had a 2013 Chevy Cruze funny enough without cruise control. Yeah, I know. It's really fucking like, are you serious? I got in this car. I'm like, you know what? I kind of want to, like I told Dad, I kind of want to look at Subaru.

48:32 And then it took me a while to actually like, look into Subaru and like actually do this.

48:39 But you know, we go there and he's like, all right, I want to check out a Subaru Impreza, a new one, 2025 brand new. As soon as I sat in that fucker, it was nice. It has like headlights that will turn with the steering wheel. It has like lane assist, which I turned off has actually cruise control and it will it also has like sensors. If there's a car in front of you and you can set the distance too, it will slow down to their speed. So even if I'm going 60 miles an hour and a car is going 48, it will slow down to 48, which is pretty nice.

49:21 And then once that car like moves out of the way, I guess goes just go like there's just, it has heated seat. There's so many things about this car that I'm just like, as soon as I say I'm like, this is it?

49:36 It's awesome. Yeah. Going from 2013 to 2025. That's such a jump. It's a very big jump and my because like my car had Bluetooth, but it was weird. It would didn't even play through the radio. It was like for calls specifically, it was horrible for for my 2013 car. But now my phone just as as soon as you get in the car, it automatic connects, it'll pop up the maps being like, oh, hey, you usually go home right about now. Here's the here's the path to home. And then it was funny. I swear to God, I got a new phone.

50:11 And so again, back to my new phone. And that Friday I got the phone, I was like, oh, go to your local game store. I was like, how do you know that? Oh, traffic is light. I heard you like Magic the game. Really. Here are some of the most recent listings. My fucking phone does that shit too whenever I'm whenever I'm taking it like it. Wasn't totally updated until this phone until it started doing like that's a thing. Yeah, it it does it to me. When I take Patrick up to superscript in Lakewood, it'll be like going to Superscript, you creepy motherfucker.

50:52 Yeah, I am. Let's go. So that that opens a can of worms that I want to talk about at a later date about just data collection and everything that we have. Yeah. So it's like, it's nice, that's convenient. But at the same time, what the fuck are they actually collecting? Which I saw a video about people talking about what's actually getting collected and that's. Scary, I'm sure. Oh, you don't know? No, I can imagine. I, I will say what pisses me off about the car and like, this is kind of a minor gripe, but also like at the same, I'm not sure how to feel about it at the same time.

51:29 It's like, Oh yeah, like here's your location, here's how to get home. It's like 11 minutes to home. Sure, whatever. There's a button I can press and I can hold and all. Like you bring up pretty much bring up Siri in the car and be like, oh, play this on Spotify. Yeah. And I'm like, OK, take me to blah, blah blah. I was like, I'm sorry, I don't know the relocation.

51:55 You motherfucker. If you're saying it's 11 minutes to home, you damn well know my. Location. Oh, I'm sorry, I don't collect that. Sure you don't. But just to give you a preview for whatever we do that there are cars that do record. I kid you not. Your sexual tendencies, Yeah. Wow, yeah. Well, man, that would. That would be awkward, huh? Yeah. OK, Yeah. For all that sexting and all that like. No phone from people do we get in their cars from all the the microphones and sensors and cameras and then this shit gets passed around.

52:44 Fucking car. Office buildings and stuff. Now your car, you know this is when a car start talking and shit. You know, the car's rocking back and forth. The car's like, wait, what are you doing? But yeah, no, that's a topic for another day. But I I thought I'd. Interesting. Tell you guys about that. I just wanted to talk about my new things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. That's no. I should have brought that but brought that up at the beginning, but I didn't. Yeah. No, no, obviously. It's awesome seeing how convenient it is, but at the same, at the same time, I'm like, you know, there's also some other things to talk about that aren't so great about.

53:18 It I mean, like, I know this is for a later episode, but here's like my like 2 second stance on it. 10 years ago my data was everywhere. It still is everywhere now. What's the difference? Yeah, fair enough. But that's the end of. That's all I'm going to say. Yeah, anyways, we. Can get into it. I forgot there was foam up. I know I keep in my just. Hopefully this episode sounds better because there's foam on the walls now, Ethan. Put up much more foam in the. Room. Yeah. Brandon put up the black squares.

53:47 I put up the wall behind me and Mark. Honestly I like the wall better just because not not he. Hates me, yes. Not a quality thing, but I like the the interchangeable black and blue. Yeah, that looks a lot nicer. Yeah. It's so much nicer, right? Yeah, that this stuff, it's thinner. It's plus it's old too, so it's kind of like, it's kind of like. Yeah, yeah. But oh, so it's professional looking. Yeah, yes, I'm sure we could do more over there if we got more foam. Yeah, do stuff. Which we'll have to talk about, but we'll.

54:25 Do the topic time. Is there anything else? We're still good.

54:34 I guess we would. Do you guys still want to talk about handhelds this episode, handheld consoles this episode, or do we just kind of want to Babble on for a little bit longer? I'll leave it up to Brandon. I could do either. I'm putting them on the spot. Yeah. Dick. I mean I got 1. You know you. Want to find out? Micro Penis. Macro penis Macro penis do. You want pean wah subsidies, there's supplements. Geez, you won't need Viagra at that point. What do you think, Plank? Unfortunately it's only single use though, so.

55:27 Happy 1 hell of a strap on. Oh God, what? Moving on. You're moving on the strap on. What the fuck's wrong with you? No, we got. We went off the rail. Yep, we're going into babbling now. OK, I'm going. Babble, Babble, Babble, Babble, Babble. Babble, Babble God. Damn, I forget about that.

55:55 Well, you don't get paid unless you do. I mean, I talked about my crochet dinosaur that I'm working on for a month, talked about Magic Gathering.

56:07 I lied. I in last episode, I said I, I predicted because plot twist, we recorded that early that I would be playing off by now. I haven't touched that motherfucking game yet. Oh, and be confused. Remember, you talk about and. Then this guy. This guy thinks it's the bug brand. That was. Funny bug spray. That was really funny. Yeah, like you're playing the what? Bug spray. You're playing bug spray? No, I'm playing the movie Hairspray. Idiot.

56:42 What you on the planet? You can add reverb to that

56:49 Ashley pickle holy. Shit now? I'm gonna have to add rebirth to that. I am so sorry that was. That was awesome. That works, man. I'm gonna have some fun with that shit. What was that? Around 50? I'm looking at probably like 56 and 56. Probably 50 milliseconds. We can. Yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna have fun with that. It's been happening all day. I don't know. I was sitting at work, you know, doing my testing and all of a sudden like, oh, that's a burp. The fuck was that face? I had a really good idea for a later topic.

57:30 Oh. You'll tell us later. Yes, I will. You guys will have to find out when we do it. Your face look like you just saw Jesus, you know, and at the same time you wanted to eat him shit. Holy shit.

57:45 Maybe we'll see. My body, child. No, I think I think you guys will like the topic. OK, OK, but I'll. We gotta write that down. Yes. Write that down. Write that down. Yes, we're gonna have to write it down after this episode. Yeah, no, no, going back to what I was saying. Yeah, I've been, I've just been burping all day. Don't know where the fuck that's been coming from. Why are you talking so fast? Yeah, I don't know why. I've been working on it 'cause I feel. 'Cause I. Feel like if I stop talking when I'm burp again and I don't want to do that.

58:11 I don't know. It's a Micro Machines guy. Macro machine. Macro machine. I'll fuck. You. God damn you with this bullshit. It's. All trademarked, by the way. Why the fuck did you have time to trademark that? I don't sleep. That's a problem. OK, but seriously though, I wish I was unable to. Like in the sense that I didn't have to sleep. Didn't have to sleep or eat. I would love that. I would still like to. I would still like to like taste. Yeah, my. Delicious. Things My cousin dated a guy who was like that he said, Oh yeah, my boyfriend actually had a condition where he can't really sleep, he can't achieve from sleep and so he would just kind of lay there in the middle of the night just.

58:59 Oh yeah. Does he have that like? I don't remember the name of. It I'm just like saying I I wish I didn't require sleep, there'd be so much more time. Yeah, to do shit, yeah. And I'd have to fucking go unconscious for 8 hours, right? Yeah, that, that sounds like that guy's got one of those. I it's a, it's a sleeping problem. Yeah, Yeah, that. Insomnia. Like a greater level of insomnia? No. It's it's not, it's not insomnia it. Is. It is. He can't, he couldn't, he can't achieve REM sleep, which is like the real Yeah, you're actually unconsciously.

59:41 Right. Yeah, where? Your subconscious rises up. So insomnia is more like a temporary condition where, oh, I just can't sleep and my body is gonna give out eventually. No, he. Literally cannot. Physically cannot achieve it. That's like. So he he does not have the capacity to sleep. Was he still tired? No. So the problem if if it is this, there is a condition like that that is fatal. Yeah, because. Eventually you're fucked. I mean you. You have to sleep. Right. That's why I didn't wish I required it.

1:00:17 Yeah, but I know it's like, there's also like how you process things and we don't know why. How? Your brain heals itself too. It gave it gives your body and and we don't mind time. We don't know. Exactly why? Like, exactly why we need it. But there are like there are things that we have found. Yeah, I know exactly why. I mean in it it's because eyes get too tired and body get too heavy and pillow get too comfy. Heavy is he who requires this. Yes, Heavy is the man who approaches the hunk Snoo. The fuck?

1:00:50 But yeah, no, no, interesting fact, he literally could not achieve Restful sleep. That is so like, yeah, you always make a wonder why. So I'm curious, have you ever asked or found out? What about like sleeping agents? Like I can't think of any of the top of my head. Kind of like melatonin and stuff like that. No, I'm talking like the the more effective means like the stuff that doctors would use that would just conk you the fuck out like. You mean like morphine? Or you talk about anesthesia. Anesthesia, yeah, would.

1:01:27 Anesthesia work on. Him. I mean, yeah, I mean, if you're in like a medically induced cola, there's nothing you can really fucking. Do OK, good, because if that didn't work. There's a problem, yeah. By natural means, this guy could not fall asleep. OK, OK, Yeah, yeah. Literally just he could not get his body just shift from I'm in a conscious state to I'm in an unconscious state. That is weird. Like why does that? Like what is his mind doing? Yeah, really. Why isn't? That, you know, it's interesting.

1:01:56 I don't think it's something in the mind, I think it's something in the biology, something in the genetics. You just wonder like why that kind of shit happens. Yeah, and, and honestly, I thought it was the weirdest thing. I was like, oh wow. Human mind and body is odd. Yeah. Yeah, it's also disgusting too. Yeah, yeah. No, no, I today, yes. Interesting fact. Have you ever shit yourself? Geez, actually, right now. I should add a fucking. Shit like a. Shark sound look reverb. That too reverb yeah no, as you were saying.

1:02:38 Oh, what do you have the? Time to to actually like trade like that shit. I was going to talk. I was like, yeah, no, I every night I listen to Emma fall asleep and I'm like, I ready took to do some business stuff and she wakes up trademark everything. What happened? To the bank account it. Had like $900. In it, oh, I just trademarked everything. Trademark every single word imaginable, I mean. That's what companies are fucking doing now. It is what was it there was like AI think it. Was the company for Warhammer?

1:03:12 They tried to. They tried to trademark the word. Table. Because it was a part of like their armor system. And it's like, well, you can't. Trademark. That common of a word, because you didn't make the word and I don't know, it's a lot. It's along the lines of like Facebook trade marking face for fucking applications. And shit. I remember that shit. Or React. Trade marking React. Oh. Yeah, right. Yeah, that. Oh God, that was I. Stopped. I stopped watching that. Maybe before that happened. Yeah, I don't know.

1:03:59 I just got too cringy Cringe. All right? I'm suddenly dating ourselves.

1:04:11 Well. You're at time. Oh, we're at time. Oh, actually, we're all over time. But I mean if. I dare you, mark you. Went over time and before. Before the space-time continue rips apart, the rhyme Zeta function is appearing right before my eyes. He's like spazzy right now I think. Him dying on Halloween kind of did something. Yeah. Still mad at you fucker? Ohh geez my dude, my bad a. Horse came up to me, yeah, and then I had to and I wanted 2 Pettits, but it was a bad idea. Yeah, and. Then I had to listen to the fucking bone.

1:04:45 Jokes and then the chattering of teeth. You know how great that sounded on headphones? Every. Every time. It's like he laughed every. Time it's It wasn't even funny so I don't get it. What a bonehead. Yeah. Really. Do you know the horrors I. Went to heavy. To edit that. Shit, do you know one of the horrors? I had to feel that. We told you not to touch the horse. But oh, Oh no, he was up on his high horse. But it was so touching the horse and what did I get? You firstly conditioned all. Right, he's probably end this before he said something he should have anyways.

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